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HINDS
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 1:41pm |
I don't really know what to say. Just got a $99 ticket for parking at Peshastin yesterday. Really bummed about that. Guess I saw this thread to late... It has begun.
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meryl
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 2:24pm |
Haven't you always needed a pass to park at Peshastin?
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James
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 2:25pm |
Nick thanks for supporting our Park System. Your contribution will help many people discover more about our parks.
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dave
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Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 3:14pm |
Also, if you are just running shuttle and happen to enter a State or DNR land...check this out:
Q. If I am driving through state recreation lands, will I need to buy a pass? A. Yes. Unless you are exempt from pass requirements, the pass is required anytime your vehicle is on state recreation lands managed by WDFW, DNR or State Parks. The pass is not required on roads managed by other jurisdictions, such as state highways or county roads that may pass through recreation lands.
SO, if you dont have a pass and just want to run to Kanasket park to drop off a boat, the park Rangers will gladly stop you and give a warm welcome with a $99 ticket. Even better, if you have multiple vehicles like me and have a pass for one car but not the other, you have to purchase a pass for each vehicle....unless you use my method above...hehehehe
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DaveH
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:19pm |
They were putting flyers on windshields over the weekend on the MM road. Not quite sure but I think that they'll be handing out tickets if you park on the road without your little pass. Good info on the wet erase marker. That'll help.
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Scott_H
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:35pm |
Hey-zeus. Seriously, I'll buy my pass and grumble and then let it pass (sort of), but at least make it f'in clear where the hell I have to pull that thing out. Is "Peshastin" the pull out off 97? Now its the MM road anywhere you park? Or just Island Drop?
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DaveH
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 2:41pm |
I think its the entire MM road. They were handing out the flyers down at the hiking trail (where the pavement ends,) as well as up by Island Drop.
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Scott_H
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 2:47pm |
Much thanks for the heads up - bet I would have gotten a ticket not realizing that. I guess when in doubt I'll just hang that sucker from the rearview mirror.
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dave
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 4:06pm |
I really don't have a problem buying a pass...because I already did...the problem I have is the non-transferability between vehicles. That is when it became a money generating revenue tax sucking venture that the state very carefully thought out and implemented. STUPID Fat polititions...I hate them...
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JoesKayak
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Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 8:48pm |
Regarding the MF road. It cannot be the whole road. The jusistiction isn't right. However where the pavement ends is a trailhead to DNR land (I believe that is Mailbox Peak) and just past island drop is the old Mine Creek campground (not listed as a day use area), which is DNR property.
The pass is for State Parks, DNR, and WSFWD
I understand the trailhead, but the access at island drop is just absurd to require a pass. That's nothing more than a wide spot in the road with a crappy trail to the river. The actual "day use area" at the old campground site has been gated off for decades and to my knowledge has no improvements whatsoever.
If you really want a nice day, go put in up at the Taylor River footbridge where you need a Federal Pass to park and take out at Island Drop where you need a state pass.
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doggievacation
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Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 3:20pm |
FYI- Big Eddy (on the Sky) is now posted as requiring a Discover Pass.
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dave
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Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 9:59pm |
I ended up buying another pass for my car. I couldnt help myself wanting to support those poor state workers. Maybe this year they can buy a new 4x4...
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Wiggins
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 3:05am |
I have my own problems with this law/program that I cannot go into in a public forum.
What I can say is that my office received the enforcement instructions on this a few weeks ago, and we are being instructed to enforce it.
As tempting as it is to use Dave's idea about how to switch one of the passes between 2 vehicles, I would strongly caution against it. Falsifying a government document is always a bad idea, but it is an even worse idea if the method of deception is easily spotted and the method's creator posted instruction on how to do it online!
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water wacko
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 6:45am |
Dave's never been the shiniestegg in the carton, but we like him for the comedic wit, now that Leif's not around. Aren't there "easements" along each side of roadway, including pullouts, which allow local, state, and federal agencies to control the adjacent lands close to the highway? i.e. Aren't pullouts, like the one at MM put in, Split Rock take out on the south side of the highway, Top Tye take out @ Alpine Falls, upper rodeo put in... still technically part of the roadway and so "exempt" of needing a pass? Wiggins, can you speak to this? I say yes. Are we gonna need to get a pass for the Ohane put in @ Secret Camp? What about Skate Creek? Public lands are getting less and less public...
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 1:25pm |
Originally posted by water wacko
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when Dave came up in discussion at some put-in recently he was reffered to as a "man-child" amazing how someone so immature can actually be successful enough to own four vehicles. What a strange world we live in.
Yeah our public lands are not very much so anymore. This land ain't your land unless you sneak onto it. Let people run your show and this is what you get. Expensive wars and private debts transferred into public hands (bankster bailout). Privitization of public assets, ect. We can pretend it does not to relate to the big picture, but it does. Go back to your tv's and watch more episodes of Family Guy. Ignore the world you live in because it is too complex for you. Don't ever discuss politics because you've been deeply conditioned not to. Go along with the program and go to hell in a hand basket. Drag those less fortunate than you along for the ride. Watch as everything you hold dear deteriorates simply because you don't want to rock the boat. We love the escape that our sport provides, but soon there will be no where left to run. Even the vastness of the ocean will not provide refuge in the times that are rapidly approaching. And this is good. As the toys are winding down, perhaps some time soon we will have to abandon our toys and become mature human beings. At this point perhaps the infantilized "adults" of this spoiled nation will grow up and move on to adress more important matters... confronting The Matrix.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 1:52pm |
Originally posted by jPat some put-in recently he was reffered to as a "man-child" amazing how someone so immature can actually be successful enough to own four vehicles.
That's a pretty mean thing to say about somebody in a public forum. What good does it do anyone?
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:07pm |
Originally posted by Wiggins
I have my own problems with this law/program that I cannot go into in a public forum.
What I can say is that my office received the enforcement instructions on this a few weeks ago, and we are being instructed to enforce it.
As tempting as it is to use Dave's idea about how to switch one of the passes between 2 vehicles, I would strongly caution against it. Falsifying a government document is always a bad idea, but it is an even worse idea if the method of deception is easily spotted and the method's creator posted instruction on how to do it online!
Kyle
Ya, that is why I purchased another pass, I dont want any more problems from the law while I am trying to have fun.
I was just at Kanasket Palmer the other day on Saturday. It was nice and sunny and the park was almost empty, unlike previous years when you couldnt find a place to park or even drive in because it was so busy. So, I guess the passes have helped that at least, keeps the parks nice and empty for us Pass users! The Park Ranger was also on the prowel and checked our pass, then he went crazy on some teenagers trying to swim and jump off some rocks and threatened them with a $900 ticket if they didnt stop. Then he checked them for booze and then turned to us and asked us if we had any. We did not, but I did ask him if he had any becuase I could use a drink...he did not think that was funny. What a jerk...
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Wiggins
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:20pm |
Roadway easements are for private or public access to land owned by another party. Since the roads in question are all on public land controlled by DNR, WDFW, and State Parks, and they own the road and the land around it, I would guess there is no defense there. The easements you see on the highways are to allow the road to cross private land.
One of my major problems with this law is that they are looking into whether or not they can force people who have easements on state land to buy a Discover Pass. These preexisting easements were usually either paid for already by the holder, or were the result of a lawsuit judgment. Either way the holder already paid for it, and now they are trying to take a second bite at the apple.
On the plus side this law does give us another option to deal with all the illegal dumping that has been closing a lot of areas down. If they are too cheap pay for trash collection, I doubt they'll buy a pass!
Kyle
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 4:11pm |
I remember a few years ago state parks charged $5 to park. No one used the parks any more so the fee was rescinded. Anyone else remember? And how they continued to build the kiosk at Westport, but eventually tore it out? Talk about wasteful.
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