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wallyworld
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   Topic: Legalize Yellowstone
Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 10:19am |
There's an online petition going around to open up Yellowstone to kayaking. I highly recommend signing it even if you never plan to paddle there. It could be a very important example for other areas with lousy river management.
It only takes a couple of minutes. Spread the word.
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let's go get it
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wallyworld
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 6:07pm |
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Just throwing this up to keep it near the top.
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let's go get it
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PanchosPigTaxi
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 at 8:13pm |
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I hope everybody's signing this. It would be pretty big to see this petition go somewhere.
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wallyworld
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Posted: 28 Sep 2011 at 6:41pm |
Thanks to all who have signed so far. Those who haven't should be ashamed......unless you're on a sweet BC trip or equivalent.
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let's go get it
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jP
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Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 11:02pm |
Originally posted by wallyworldThanks to all who have signed so far. Those who haven't should be ashamed......unless you're on a sweet BC trip or equivalent.
...or unless you OPPOSE legalization of paddling in Yellowstone.
I do. I for one will not be signing this petition. Sorry but I like this place for its forbidden fruit status. And I feel like just cuz peeps got a bank account and can go buy some gear doesn't entitle them to boat where ever the hell they want
"What?! JP you must be mad!!!"
Well it is true that I did just finish typing a lengthy essay on how I should be free to paddle where I want, how I want, when I want (see the King County Survey).
But in the case of Yellowstone, well, I think there is value in having at least a few places that require extra effort.
You wanna boat in Yellowstone? Earn it. Show your devotions to the river gods by Stealing your strokes...
I know I'm horribly out numbered on this, but when I paddled in Yellowstone it was all about the stealth missions. What can I say I got fond memories and I was glad there were't a bunch of colorful plastic maggots everywhere.
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huckin harms
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Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 8:19am |
whoa....
omg...
generally I try to hold off a few hours or days before responding in haste, usually some statements I feel guilty about or some such thing...
But JP, what you just wrote hurts my head. Yes, I can truly understand your perspective, but you my friend, of ALL PEOPLE, ought to know why this is so important that that place be free.
EXTRA EFFORT? Of course that place will always require extra effort to paddle. RIGHT NOW as it stands, it's not just about extra effort, but some serious significant downsides (to use Bernankes wordage); you get busted and then say hello to some finage, maybe jail time, and a complete loss of all your favorite gear. That's not just extra effort dude, that is totally wrong.
The runs in Yellowstone will always protect themselves. Am I wrong?
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Sam_Graftton
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Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 6:26pm |
I agree with you Mike the risk of jail time, massive fines, gear confiscation, and a criminal record isn’t worth it. This could be a huge new Kayak destination and everyone should be signing this petition.
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PanchosPigTaxi
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 4:18pm |
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Jp, I kind of understand where you're coming from.
I bet your Yellowstone trip was an incredible adventure. Reading Doug Ammons "Counting Coup Along the Yellowstone" sounded like a ton of fun. (link for those of you who want to read it, http://www.dougammons.com/CountingCoup.html )
Sneaking in, no other boaters, all the logistics etc. probably adds a totally new dimension. Legalizing Yellowstone would make these kinds of trips a thing of the past.
Like you said I think that we should be able to paddle where we want and how we want. I'd like to paddle parts of Yellowstone someday and I'd prefer to do it legally because of the high consequences if you get caught.
Joe
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Larry
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Posted: 02 Oct 2011 at 9:16pm |
Thanks JP!!!!
Adding a little controversy will ensure that this thread stays near the top and that the survey gets a-lot of signatures.
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Travisimo
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Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 11:50am |
Folks sign this! If you don't only criminals like JP will be able to say they have paddled such a wonderful region!
Why are kayakers (probably the least damaging outdoor group I know) kept out of public places?
Please send to your friends and family too!
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H2O please
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up4air
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Posted: 05 Oct 2011 at 4:34pm |
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Same reason mtn bikes are kept out of horse trail areas. Which has more damage to a trail: a one ton horse or 200 +- lb rider and bike? But horse people have money and therefore political power to keep trails open to them. Hopefully this petition can get through without relying on moneybags, because most kayakers, well...
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More water, please.
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Travisimo
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Posted: 06 Oct 2011 at 12:12am |
oi!!!!
That's what we all love about paddlers! C'mon folks!
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H2O please
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huckin harms
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Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 10:27am |
Well said Slickhorn....
Unfortunately the petition signing has only a third of the necessary names for consideration. Time is not on our side here....
JP... you should renig on your aforementioned position, and in the interest of the community sacrafice your principles!
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wallyworld
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Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 7:01am |
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1,500 signatures is pretty sad. I figure we can get that out of the Seattle area alone. Spread the word to anybody who doesn't like being told where they may or may not recreate with impunity.
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PanchosPigTaxi
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Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 8:24pm |
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Good idea, post the link on other forums, mountainbuzz, road bike forums, climbing, etc
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huckin harms
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 at 8:10am |
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so less than a week left for signatures. would be a bit of a bummer to see this fail without even a real attempt at legislation. seems awful that we haven't got 5000 paddlers in the country willing to sign this... SO if you haven't yet, please do....
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shrek
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Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 12:49pm |
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Mike thanks for the reminder. I'm all signed up. No doubt Obama will jump right on it when we get 5000
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huckin harms
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Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 1:02pm |
right on Josh...
It totally bums me out that this probably won't reach critical mass. Still needs 3300 plus signatures and with less than a week it doesn't look good.
So, I guess we will have ourselves to blame for not being more proactive on this outreach.
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