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mazama
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   Topic: Grand Canyon Rapid Diagrams
Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 4:55pm |
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Anyone remember the name of the books that have the actual drawn diagrams for the rapids?
Seems kinda silly in retrospect, but I've got a group of friends headed down without much canyon experience and it sure is a PITA to scout all the little ones.
Thanks
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FLUID
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Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 7:09pm |
For the most part there all big water v slicks down the middle with the exception of a couple.
you want the Tom Martin rivermaps waterproof mapbook which is the best for mile by mile topo maps with mileage, camps, and hikes. It's by far the best mile by mile map with camps which is have the battle of keeping your trip in order. It also has great rapid descriptions. You will scout the BIG ones but most of the beta from the book you need it gives you like start right end left which is pretty standard for non technical big water class III-IV beta.
Cheers !!
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Kiwi
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Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 7:27pm |
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house rocks be right of the huge hole at the bottom. don't fu*k up in bedrock, again be right. If you're in a kayak though left is no problem. uhhhhh what are some other big ones? be left at the top of both matkat and havasu if you don't want to miss them. Like fluid said, pretty much right down the middle. follow the bubble line on lava falls.
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mazama
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Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 9:15pm |
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thanks fluid - that is a great book.
Again, last time I was there we had a book with drawn diagrams that was a big help. If anybody knows the name it would be a big help.
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Kiwi
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Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 10:44pm |
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http://store.allaboutrivers.com/river-guide-books/arizona-river-guide-books/Guide-to-the-Colorado-River-in-Grand-Canyon-C125-i62.html
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Kiwi
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Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 10:48pm |
rats. meant to post this, http://www.rrfw.org/RaftingGrandCanyon/Rapids
if you're unsure about the drops scout...
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Camrun
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Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 9:57am |
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Best single guide ever... Elegant in its simplicity. May be out of print, call stores in Flag, they will know this book.
Colorado River briefs for a trip through the Grand Canyon
compiled by Linda Lou Lindemann ; illustrated by Dan K. Lindemann.
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mazama
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Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 11:30am |
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THANK YOU CAMRUN!!!
Thats exactly what I was trying to find for my friends.
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po_standish
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Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 7:44am |
Books are great, but on our trip a no-nothing rapid on day two (I think) flipped our only experienced rafter in a private trip. Our water level was different than what the description was based on, the rafter put too much stock in the guide book and his own recollection, and since it was a no-nothing rapid in or around the roaring 20's the guide didn't have info on different water levels.
So, 1) be prepared for a raft flip! That was our first flip in a mostly inexperienced rafting group. Flip lines with everyone hands-on would've been best, but we got all fancy with z-drags and wasted time and energy.
2) if you have kayakers who can read water make sure to always lead with one or two ahead of the rafts to point out unanticipated holes.
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FLUID
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Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 8:47am |
my point from before... the river is the book, read it !!!! and being a kayaker and a rafter you usually have a better vantage point standing on your cooler in a raft than you do in a kayak. So just being good at reading a river in general is better than looking at diagrams in a book from 1970 or following kayakers which won't help in a raft when they make last minute moves to avoid holes. at that point in a raft its too late. rafts and kayaks are different crafts and whitewater is read and described differently depending on your perspective and experience.
the river is the book.. read it.
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po_standish
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Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 9:47am |
The Martin book is an awesome read while in the canyon. We had a kayaker paddle with it in their lap under their skirt and pulling it out in the flats to read interesting sections aloud while floating the flats. Fluid is correct on all counts though I didn't mean to imply that rafters should blindly follow kayakers into rapids--that would work out very poorly for the raft!
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