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  Quote phil Replybullet Topic: Helmet cam advice
    Posted: 14 May 2012 at 9:46pm
Decided to get one of these cameras on a stick everyone seems to be sporting (i.e. a GoPro).

Can any experienced helmetcammers share advice they learned the hard way? I'd love to get good footage the first time, and not lose the thing.

Speaking of which, is it necessary to tie off the camera? Is the concern the adhesive coming off the helmet, or the helmet popping out of the mount?

Thanks!
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 14 May 2012 at 10:34pm
Ya, tie a short string to it. They can get knocked off.
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  Quote Jed Hawkes Replybullet Posted: 14 May 2012 at 11:33pm
Use some sort of light solvent to prep the area before you attach the mount, a clean surface will adhere better.
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  Quote Sam_Graftton Replybullet Posted: 14 May 2012 at 11:49pm
Yes a tie is a must I lost my GoPro in Robe due to not having a tether.
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  Quote phil Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2012 at 7:31am
Thanks everyone! Some other noob questions:

Do you carry extra batteries? Extra SD cards? How many should I expect to go through in a long day on the water?

On longer runs, do you usually just turn the cam on and forget about it, or try to conserve by turning it off during boring parts, in eddies, etc?
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  Quote nelsonwoods Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2012 at 8:24am
I have lost a gopro on the green due to no tether as well. Since then I started using a tether as well as the floaty back door. I also use the battery backpack which essentially doubles the battery life. I also carry a spare battery and sd card in an otter box just In case. I havnt run out of battery yet or needed to switch sd cards yet. I have done both run the camera the entire run and just video the rapids. Advantages and disadvantages to both depending on what you are doin with the video. If you just video the rapids, it's easier to edit it all together or post snippets on Facebook and whatnot. The whole run video you catch all the ransoms that happen when you least expect it. All in all the gopro is an excellent camera to capture kayaking. I would also recommend that you use rainx on the lens before every use. It helps keep water droplets off the lens for a better video.
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  Quote fiddleyak Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2012 at 9:59am
Helmet cams are awesome. I'm pretty stoked about all the footage I've accumulated over the last year.

I'm pretty active turning the camera on and off as I go down the river. I like having the action without the inbetween. Maybe it's because I don't have a fast enough computer to want to spend time editing. That means I usually use the gopro the most when I'm paddling fast.
I've gotten good at turning the camera on and off without looking at it, there's a learning curve and you will miss out on footage occasionally (or have to be that guy constantly asking "am I blinking?")

Even after a year, my camera will film for at least an hour on one charge. Therefore, I've never bothered with a spare battery, and I've never came remotely close to filling a 32gb card in even an entire weekend. Whether you need spare battery or memory depends on how many hours of filming you plan to do.

After tons of crappy droplety footage, I've been getting better stuff lately:
-Make sure the lense is not scratched. Buy a replacement lens immediately if it is.
-Spit on the lens above every rapid. Mucus, phlem, sputum, whatever you want to call it, works. Saliva does not. RainX is way too short term to be useful on a river trip. Maybe if you had a little bottle and could reapply it regularly.
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  Quote phil Replybullet Posted: 15 May 2012 at 11:07am
This is excellent beta, thanks everyone!
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  Quote phil Replybullet Posted: 01 Jun 2012 at 1:15pm
Thanks again for all the advice in this thread. Figured out a couple other things over the last couple weeks, and figure I'll post them here for anyone reading this in the future:

- GoPro batteries don't come fully charged. I forgot to charge mine before leaving and ended up not being able to film on the first leg of the trip.
- Needs a real charger. My solar charger works great on iPods, etc, but couldn't put a lasting charge on the camera.
- I've heard of people putting silica gel packets in the housing to prevent fogging issues. I had bad fogging on my first use. Pulled the camera out of the housing and left both sitting in the sun for a couple hours and it's been fine since.
- Once fully charged I get about 1hr film time, too. Works out to about 2 charges per 16gb card or 4 per 32gb card.

I'm still trying to figure out the water droplet issue. Ben, snot works great but I'm finding if I'm paddling anything worth filming, I forget to reapply. Am going to see how RainX before putting on works out.
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  Quote Blair Replybullet Posted: 01 Jun 2012 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by phil

Thanks again for all the advice in this thread. Figured out a couple other things over the last couple weeks, and figure I'll post them here for anyone reading this in the future:

- GoPro batteries don't come fully charged. I forgot to charge mine before leaving and ended up not being able to film on the first leg of the trip.
- Needs a real charger. My solar charger works great on iPods, etc, but couldn't put a lasting charge on the camera.
- I've heard of people putting silica gel packets in the housing to prevent fogging issues. I had bad fogging on my first use. Pulled the camera out of the housing and left both sitting in the sun for a couple hours and it's been fine since.
- Once fully charged I get about 1hr film time, too. Works out to about 2 charges per 16gb card or 4 per 32gb card.

I'm still trying to figure out the water droplet issue. Ben, snot works great but I'm finding if I'm paddling anything worth filming, I forget to reapply. Am going to see how RainX before putting on works out.


1hr film time? Somethin ain't right. I get 2hrs. I put rain-x on when I first bought it, works ok but makes for small drops sometimes in the shot. What works best is spitting on it and rubbing it in (pornstars do this), then dip it in the water. Do this before each drop for best results because spit only lasts so long. I got this tip from Matt Kurle (he got it from Jenna Jameson). Put a little footage of you spitting on the lens in your video if you want to look like a "I don't give-a-sh*t badass!"

I've never ever had the adhesive come off (strong stuff), but I always stick to smooth plastic surface. I don't know how it would work on textured Burn surface, never tried. I use an alcohol swab to prep the area, let air dry then place. Best to do several hrs before use.

Tether is a must. My plastic mount has snapped from a hit. I use a thin rope (similar to a camera string that pocket cams come with to wrap on your wrist) then tie it to the closest point of the plastic adjustable mount under the cam, then tie a carabiner on the other end to easily remove it from my helmet or boat loop (if mounting to boat for certain shots).

Good luck. I've had quite a bit of experience with the GoPro. I've even tried a chest mount for a lower angle. You can see that angle on my channel with my Boulder Drop at Low Flows video.
Http://www.youtube.com/seattlepaddler

Good luck.
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  Quote mokelumnekid Replybullet Posted: 01 Jun 2012 at 9:45pm
Useful info, thanks. Where exactly did you tie the tether? The GoPro housing doesn't really have much in the way of tie down spots. BTW the new models have this rubber lock-system with a rubber locking bracket that also attaches to the GoPro attachment stem, but it seems that a separate tether is still wise and necessary.
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  Quote Blair Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 2:44am
I tied it where the hinge is on the clear plastic housing, above the black screw in thing (best way I can describe it). The white rubber thing isn't new...It doesn't effect the camera from breaking off. It actually doesn't do much. Just supposed to reduce vibration. I don't use it.
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  Quote phil Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:05am
Well, they say it's supposed to protect against the clip popping in a sharp impact. Its meant to keep the arms from being forced inward, allowing the camera to slide off.

But yeah, if we're talking about plastic breaking that's not gonna do anything.

Blair, did you tie off to the little exposed bit of hinge? Really thin cord?
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:14am
I tie a cord to the base, right below the camera housing and above the clamp mechanism.
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  Quote Blair Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 3:54pm
What Dave said last about tie-off seems better way of explaining it because that's how mine is tied off.

Dave can take a picture and post it.
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  Quote brig Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 8:21pm
Mine isn't tied off, just shoe-goo'd around the edges and it's solid......not sure about the longevity though.
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 9:57pm
You guys sayin there ain't no eyelet for a lanyard (old maritime terminology for "tie off")?! Lame.

Seems like a basic thing to mold into the housing. All other cameras and flashlights, knives, and practicly any small object being used in an adventure has some eyelet to attach a lannyard or tether.
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 05 Jun 2012 at 10:55pm
Yes, incredibly stupid on gopros part.
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  Quote up4air Replybullet Posted: 06 Jun 2012 at 12:16am
I almost lost mine on lower brush creek past where you usually hike out. it was hanging on by a plastic thread after a particularly bad shallow incident I should have portaged. Had to buy new housing. But the mount stayed on. They suck in low light. Overcast and rainy days to not make quality footage. They take great stills in good light. Make sure it's set to shoot video rather than stills before you head out, if that's what you're after. Take off your helmet and do a visual check if you want to make sure you are recording as their feedback is weak. Read the instructions several times - two buttons do about 50 functions (at least on my model). After a good wipe out make sure the angle hasn't been adjusted for you. Filming the sky above or your skirt below is disappointing. Make sure the back is completely latched. GoPro sells an anti-fog insert and should sell their own brand of Rain-X. After a couple years the novelty starts to wear off a little and you'll realize how incredibly time consuming it is to edit video and find unlicensed music and add text. Mine runs on lithiums which are crazy expensive and only last for a few hours. I used to get disappointed if my batteries ran out (mine has no warning) or I pressed to stop filming when I thought I was starting filming.. now I just feel like it's a bonus if I get any footage and set my expectations at rock bottom. But I still wince when I think about missing out on filming thunder crk b/c the camera was turned on(not filming, just on) during the 4 mile hike in. I ran something twice one time b/c the first time my batteries were dead. Kind of a bad way to make that sort of decision I admit.
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  Quote Blair Replybullet Posted: 06 Jun 2012 at 3:20am
Originally posted by brig

Mine isn't tied off, just shoe-goo'd around the edges and it's solid......not sure about the longevity though.


The adhesive itself isn't the problem Chris. That sticker is bombproof in my opinion. It's the fact that the plastic mount can (in my case has) snap off with a hit. Then bye bye camera. Tether is a must for that reason.
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  Quote brig Replybullet Posted: 06 Jun 2012 at 6:44am
A hit? hmmm, never thought about that.
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  Quote Blair Replybullet Posted: 25 Jun 2012 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by mokelumnekid

Here is one solution:http://www.unsponsored.co.uk/press/?p=2479


In that article it says there are pros and cons of using a leash; con is it could be a snag hazard. What!? That's ridiculous! It is a tiny leash and something would break off in a snag event. Plus if it didn't, how hard is it to unsnag something so small an weak.

Btw, I didn't attach mine there.
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  Quote Jed Hawkes Replybullet Posted: 27 Jun 2012 at 8:24am
It might break off, but the leash is sure to give your head a good jerk before it breaks free.  I'll stick to shooting footage from shore.
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  Quote water wacko Replybullet Posted: 27 Jun 2012 at 9:17am
I've had mine tethered since I lost the first one. The tether saved my Go Pro 3 times now. The little grooves in the mounting bracket break off. It doesn't take much of an impact either. Guess I would rather have the mounting bracket fail than have the camera housing destroyed, but still attached.
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