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Topic: bootie beer ettiquete Posted: 21 May 2008 at 4:53pm |
as a non hardsheller (and frequent swimmer) I admit to not being up on my bootie beer ettiquette.
From this marvelous example of mountainbuzz angst: http://www.mountainbuzz.com/forums/f11/bout-lost-my-life-yesterday-18716.html
comes this great quote "with a self rescue is, you don't have to buy anyone ice cream / beer."
Can I get a vote on that? Self rescue negates bootie beers? ;-)
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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 6:18pm |
amen.
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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 8:56pm |
Gonna have to call B.S to that one.
If your bootie hits the water, expect to drink one. Whether it's from a blown skirt, pulling because your roll failed and you bailed, or you were pinned and needed to swim to escape. Fact is you swam, pay your dues.
Ultimately it comes down to an individual personal obligation to pay up. Personally if I swim kayaking taking care of the bottie is the first thing I do. Karma is a b@$*% so you might as well get it done and get it done right then and there.
Even if you self rescue the fact remains the same - you swam, handle your business.
Edited by PaulGamache - 21 May 2008 at 8:57pm
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27/320 & 1 bootie
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Weide
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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 9:07pm |
Again? We have to hash out the bootie beer rules again?
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Posted: 21 May 2008 at 10:21pm |
Good call Paul, done a few this year...self rescue or not...drink that shit homeboy!
Edited by hugo - 21 May 2008 at 10:22pm
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suck it
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 7:47am |
what if your skirt blows and yo paddle to shore with half full boat?
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:31am |
Originally posted by Weide
Again? We have to hash out the bootie beer rules again? lol yes we do damnit! Ain't none of the requirements consistent post to post board to board. also, this is very much a kayaker only thing, yano? amusing.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 8:35am |
Paddling a swamped boat is not swimming, gordon. The rules are simple, you swim, you drink. Not like those complicated raft guide beer reward rules for rescuing other guides customers, equipment, etc...
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 9:56am |
Ahh yes, but what if you fall in while scouting? While getting out of your boat? I've had to rope at least one friend who slipped while getting out of his boat.
So many shades of grey.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:07am |
Just say NO!!! Buy beer for those that rescue you. One should never drink from a bootie!!!!
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:20am |
I know that I've never heard about this, and my older (45+) kayaking buddies were the first ones paddling northwest rivers.. We always just went with "The swimmer gets the "swim-seat"," (always in the back somewhere crammed between gear and/or boats.) I'm not sure your new-fangled "fear-factor" approach is a healthy way to bust on your swimming buddy, but if you've got to do it...
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:21am |
a round of brew sounds reasonable, though
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 10:44am |
Personally I think the whole bootie beer thing is pretty stupid. Anyone who thinks they're going to get me to suck one of those down is sorely mistaken. So you swam. OK... now go do something that will put you at risk of contracting giardia or some other nasty bug. Great idea. What does it do for the boating partners anyway, besides providing a photo-op and a chance to bust on your friend. Shit... don't most boaters bust on each other all the time as it is? PS, Fish, I'm typing this on your Mom's computer.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:25am |
I've have never drank a bootie and never will, whether I swim or not. It is a stupid and pointless tradition.
Maybe instead of assuming that drinking out of a bootie will save you from river karma, you should take a look at your skills, look at what did wrong, and figure out what you can do better next time.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:41am |
maybe the purpose of this foul tradition is prove once and for all that paddlers are the biggest badasses around. badass like: "We don't care if we're stuck on the shitter for a month! We're badasses!" sorry, had to do some more busting on my fellow man.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:43am |
good lord people. if you dont want to drink a bootie beer dont. if you would like to adhere to the tradition, do. there you go.
as for giardia, that is a ridiculous claim. i am tired of river people being simultaneous giardia freaks. think about how much river water you have near your mouth, and swallowed, or have shoved up your nose, etc, then go back to the reasoning that drinking out of a bootie will give you giardia. ingesting river water is a fact of kayaking whether you are trying to or not, and if you paddle the wenatchee, who knows what kinds of goodies are in that water.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:47am |
Better than doing a bootie beer on the columbia
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:52am |
New Tradition;
If you swim and 1 peorson gets you and all your gear to shore, you MUST drink from THEIR bootie!!!
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Sure?
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 11:55am |
Originally posted by Ellingferdgood lord people. if you dont want to drink a bootie beer dont. if you would like to adhere to the tradition, do. there you go.
as for giardia, that is a ridiculous claim. i am tired of river people being simultaneous giardia freaks. think about how much river water you have near your mouth, and swallowed, or have shoved up your nose, etc, then go back to the reasoning that drinking out of a bootie will give you giardia. ingesting river water is a fact of kayaking whether you are trying to or not, and if you paddle the wenatchee, who knows what kinds of goodies are in that water. No it's not ridiculous. I have been lucky so far, but I do know boaters who have contracted giardia from incidental water intake while boating. And that is just one bug of many that are out there... and we're not even talking about free flowing water here... this is from a bootie... a wet, enclosed, pourous environment, that is also kept warm from body heat.... why do you think old booties smell bad? They are a great place for all kinds of bacteria, fungii, etc to grow. You'd get less germs by taking body shots off Courtney Love.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 12:12pm |
we paddled the cascade last year early in the season and my old man ran low on water. I offered him some of mine, but he said he didn't want to waste it. He waded out and filled his bottle under the cool, clear, rushing current and made a joke about giardia. His next three weeks were spent on the toilet. You'd better watch your back, Ellingferd. we don't joke about the beaver fever.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 12:20pm |
After a 10 day Main Salmon float, my brother's nausea and balance
problems were diagnosed as giardia, despite all tests being negative.
Turned out to be a brain tumor.
How's that for funny? True story. He had a hell of time with it, but he's now in his final quarter at Gonzaga getting his Nursing degree, and doing great.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 1:22pm |
i am certainly not advocating filling up a nalgene, drink the water from the river free for all. however, i think you are just as likely to get giardia by engaging in the act of kayaking as you are by drinking out of a bootie. while the bootie may be a more concentrated source of bacteria, probably not a more concentrated source of giardia. if it were, it still wouldnt be significant as you spend more time in the river than you do drinking out of your bootie, unless you swim every time you roll over and your bootie has been placed next to your pint glass.
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 2:47pm |
I should not be proud of this but I have drank from most likely the
nastiest booties around, I have even had people volunteer LOL er forced ,, to drink from them and no giardia or other illnesses to report. If you
find a nastier set of booties let me know cause I have yet to see them. reMember that Ryan?
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:20pm |
Originally posted by JamesBetter than doing a bootie beer on the columbia
or the Mississippi
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Posted: 22 May 2008 at 4:32pm |
Blah, blah, blah!
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