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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 5:28pm |
For all you Class V creekers out there, that are looking to test yourselves against the regions best paddlers, the Gorge Games will be held on the Green Truss section of the Upper White Salmon Friday July 18-21, with time trials beginning on Friday. You can register online, volunteer to be safety, or just show up and paddle the truss with your friends. The event will be televised on Fox Sports Net and promises to be a great event with PLENTY of water!!! www.gorgegames.net Hope to see all the local crews come down and represent! ![]("smileys/smiley14.gif")
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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 9:25pm |
Oh-oh... I think I'm beginning to see how my plans are shaping up for that weekend... ![]("smileys/smiley10.gif")
Edited by wetmouse - 08 Jul 2008 at 9:26pm
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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 11:17pm |
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Wait a minute, Fish, wasn't it just last week you were telling me how the truss was "really only class IV"? (Not that I believed you)
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PaulGamache
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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 11:30pm |
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Truss is class IV, barring Big Brother. However think most people who will be racing will be solid class V boaters. If you were to pick apart the Truss, scout, take your time, set safety etc. The Truss is IV. Racing full speed by yourself you want to be a class V boater.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 11:55pm |
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Gotta love the T&Cs...
"Any sponsor attempting to promote their brand at the Gorge Games
without a letter of agreement, contract or verbal agreement with a
Gorge Games authorized representative shall be removed from the
premises and shall be responsible for paying an “unauthorized sponsor”
fee of up to $10,000 and or criminal prosecution for trespassing."
I think I'll go down with the PP banner and see if I can rack up a $10k fine...
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Posted: 08 Jul 2008 at 11:58pm |
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By the way, back to being serious, I need someone to show me down the truss this year...
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 7:51am |
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Is the course going to include the wood in Lower Zig Zag......or is that gone now?
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 7:56am |
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Do the Callaghan first. There are some consequences on the Truss.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 8:27am |
"Any sponsor attempting to promote their brand at the Gorge Games without a letter of agreement, contract or verbal agreement with a Gorge Games authorized representative shall be removed from the premises and shall be responsible for paying an “unauthorized sponsor” fee of up to $10,000 and or criminal prosecution for trespassing."
So if I drive up there with a truck full of DragoRossi kayaks and a bunch on Nookie stickers slapped on the side as a spectator, the Gorge Games are going to throw me in Hippie Jail?
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 8:33am |
Originally posted by PaulGamache
Truss is class IV, barring Big Brother. However think most people who will be racing will be solid class V boaters. If you were to pick apart the Truss, scout, take your time, set safety etc. The Truss is IV. Racing full speed by yourself you want to be a class V boater. I'd disagree with Paul on this one. Most people who are class IV boaters who do the truss portage Big Brother, Double Drop, sometimes lower Zig-Zag, and BZ Falls. If you portage all these rapids and run it at a flow below 2.75, then yeah, its class IV. If you're on it between 2.75-4ft or higher, you'd better be a Class V boater or you'd get your ass kicked and maybe swim over Big Brother. I live on the White Salmon River and every summer I see a lot of people run the Truss who shouldn't be there. You hear all the stories about dislocations, broken helmets, and almost going over big brother upside down or out of your boat. A few people have swam lower zig zag, and its surprising there haven't been more major accidents there. Although I think everyone needs to make their own decisions about what they run and don't run, rivers are rated at certain levels for a reason. Taking the classifications that have been given to a run and saying they are less than the generally accepted, IMHO, is irresponsible and leads to less experienced boaters getting in over their heads. Sure, if you portage everything on the little white, its easy class III, except you wouldn't paddle more than 150 feet of the entire river. Paddling is about being on the river and running rapids, not barely surviving your way down a portage fest because you're in over your head. Paddle responsibly.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:06am |
Hey Jonathan,
Gonna have to disagree w/ ya and stick by what I said. The flow I was refering to the Truss being class IV (give or take 1/2 a class) at is the lower 2.75 and below as you've mentioned. Obviously as a run get more juice in it's going to get harder.
No way is double drop class V at those flows, the wood in Zig Zag makes it a V but it's definetly not a class V move. BZ is kind of like extra sauce on the cake, don't need to run it or portage it to do the Truss since it's sort of after the fact. We can both agree Big Bro is a V.
Every summer people get spanked on Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas, doesn't make that a class V run either, just means there is high traffic and people get beat. People get creamed all the time on Pigeon Point, people have swam fishtail, doesn't make that one is class V either.
I hear what you're saying about under-rating runs being dangerous but if someone is a solid class IV boater (not swimming or out of control on a regular basis on class IV rapids) I would do the Truss w/ them and not feel like I'm putting their life or mine in any grave danger. This is considering we took our time, scouted rapids they didn't feel comfortable running that day and set safety for those they did.
That being said, for what it's worth the run is in a class V style setting, if you got destroyed down there it would be misserable having to deal w/ it.
On a side note. If I worked in White Salmon and someone came into a shop I was working at asking if they could run the Truss as a Class IV boater I would say no and suggest something else.
You going to be around for Gorge Games? I'll give you a call when we head down.
Edited by PaulGamache - 09 Jul 2008 at 10:17am
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:14am |
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I have never ever ever heard of the Truss as class IV. Multiple conversations with multiple different people, several guidebooks, American Whitewater, etc. I've done some IV, and I don't profess to be an expert... but the Truss is huge. You guys, you awesome class V boaters, sandbag, alot, its really ridiculous. I've noticed this on alot of other runs that I am familiar with, it would be awesome to trust your opinions of a run, but I can't, I have to go ask other, more reliable people.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:18am |
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Leif, you left out a very important part of what i had said. I mentioned that if you walk big brother, double drop, and BZ falls and the level was below 3 feet, i felt like most the rapids were class 4-4+. And i still feel that way. The majority of this stretch is pool drop, and you have the ability to scout and walk everything with the exception of zig zags which can be difficult, but doable.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:19am |
Originally posted by ashleygoesdisco
I have never ever ever heard of the Truss as class IV. Multiple conversations with multiple different people, several guidebooks, American Whitewater, etc. I've done some IV, and I don't profess to be an expert... but the Truss is huge. You guys, you awesome class V boaters, sandbag, alot, its really ridiculous. I've noticed this on alot of other runs that I am familiar with, it would be awesome to trust your opinions of a run, but I can't, I have to go ask other, more reliable people.
http://www.oregonkayaking.net/rivers/greentruss/greentruss.html
"The Green Truss section of the White Salmon runs year-round and has long been a proving ground for Northwest paddlers. This run is always class five except in the fall when the levels drop to around two feet and it eases to IV+. "
You say you've done some class IV, I wouldn't suggest you do the Truss...trust me.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:30am |
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IV+ without all the big rapids im assuming?
and i know, i wouldnt LET you tell me to run the truss. im merely saying that it has been my experience with certain paddlers on this board, that things they say are class 3 are really very much harder then that, and not something i should have been on at the time.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:34am |
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Hey Fish - I was just giving you a hard time. Wasn't that obvious?
I still want to get out on the Truss this year, though I probably will walk big brother and BZ...
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 11:52am |
Lot's of good points here! I'm by no means a class V boater. I've never had a no portage decent of the Truss, but I have had good and bad days on it. On the bad days (although they were still great days) I'd like to say it was class V, but on the good days you do feel like it's more IV/IV+ with some class V highlights!...but that's just me. Either way it's a kick ass run. Been on it at a variety of flows. Less water equals less pushy but more scrapage. Higher flows equals pushier but cleaner lines.
From a weekend warrior/class IV type boater Big Bro and BZ are the only two rapids I don't feel comfortable running. I suppose the wood in lower ZZ isn't to appealing either. From that perspective, I don't personally feel portaging any of those rapids takes away from the experience of being on the Truss.
From a race perspective I can totally see why they call it Class V and say it's for class V/V+ paddlers. You're not scouting, portaging, etc and you're paddling balls to the wall. The only place you'll see me at the games is cheering on people from the banks or drinking beer at the takeout!
From a guidebook perspective I believe the river is rated with the general concensus on this thread (IV/V). However, I do agree that it gets downplayed by some. When some of my good friends started paddling the Truss it was class V for them. Now they tell me they feel it's class IV besides BB and BZ. I suppose it's all perspective, not to mention skill development.
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 3:23pm |
Going by the old scale using the standard I-VI rating, the Truss is a V. It has an intimidating feel, some rapids are unportageable (the Zig Zags are V's for the wood and seives), some have bad consequences, some are a freakin' B to hike out of. The Bennett Book generally has great ratings for the runs that are in it. It's hard for me to remember sometimes how different runs felt when I was a newer boater. I do know that all new runs for me are a little intimidating. I don't know what's around the corner, don't know if there are hidden seives or hazzards. Not taking one or even several opinions isn't a bad option. Talk with good friends, research. And then call me up. ![]("smileys/smiley2.gif")
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 4:18pm |
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Good skills alone are not an adequate crutch for lack of good judgement. Seek out those with both good skills and judgement and you'll do alright.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2008 at 10:38pm |
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Anyone planning to carpool down?
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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 10:16am |
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I'm leaving early friday morning and coming back sunday night if someone wants to carpool.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 10:31am |
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I am thinking of heading down friday afternoon, back sunday eve
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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 1:06pm |
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where are you guys going to camp?
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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 1:08pm |
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A bunch of us will be camping in the Trout Lake area.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 4:52pm |
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Jonathan or others...
My skills limit my "in-boat" access to below BZ! Is there hike-in access to big brother or double drop for games spectating?
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