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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Topic: Shelly's Skok TR
    Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 12:25pm
I just re-read Shelly Becker's TR from the Skok run last weekend.  I think she's a member here but I've never seen her post so I thought I would share with the group.  I'm still stoked to have done this run in a catboat!!  This is a great TR...very entertaining!  Even today, I'm still experiencing a new shade of green, purple, brown and black bruises from my ride with Mr. Toad.

I can't wait to see the videos.  Thanks for the Yakker support!


By Shelly Becker:

Dave and I want to thank Fish, James, JP and Ned for the kayak
support - even if it was provided from midstream boulders :-)
Without their help this run would have taken over twice as long and
I'm still not sure how we would have scouted some of those drops.
There was absolutely no way to see/scout the rapid at the entrance
to the second gorge in a cat.

I wrote up a little TR:
Sunday morning Dave and I got up very early and drove out to the
South Fork of the Skokomish. The run is out on the Peninsula near
Shelton. We were hooking up with Fish and 2 other kayakers as well
as Mike Horner and Aaron Williams in cats. At the time, Fish
thought it would be a 1'st cat descent but we found out later that
it had been run at least once by a pair of catboaters -- anybody we
know ??? Another kayaker showed up and asked to join our group so
we had 4 kayaks (Fish, JP, James and Ned) and 4 cats (Dave, Mike,
Aaron and myself).

I had done my homework and was familiar with the layout of the run
and where the FS roads were located in case we needed to hike out.
Hiking out was not a realistic option in a lot of places and even if
you could climb out of the canyon you were miles and miles from
anywhere. There are 2 canyon sections on this run that contain
numerous Class IV and V rapids - the second canyon is the more
difficult of the two. Dave and I got to the put-in early and waited
over an hour and a half for everyone else to show up. We both knew
that daylight was going to be an issue, we knew there were at least
5 major scouts and 1 mandatory portage.

The run was a lot like the MF Feather, only steeper and much much
tighter in places. It was more committing than Robe Canyon and I
think the hard rapids on the Skokomish are as difficult as the hard
rapids on Robe. That might not be true for kayaks but I think it's
true for cats. Canyon Creek (Stilly trib) has some very tight
places for cats and this was tighter.

We were tested on the very first rapid, a tricky entry to a slot
narrower than the boat. You had to finesse/lowside and hang on over
about a 6' ledge into a beefy hole. I probed the catboat line --
the catboat line all day long was the same as the kayak line -- I
was a little too cautious in the entry and got spun around, not
happy with myself, I got Catalina straightened out ASAP and had a
nice clean line through the chute. Dave and Mike ran without
problems but Aaron pinned and flipped in the chute. JP had safety
set and got a rope to Aaron. I was able to get out of my boat and
climb upstream with a 2'nd rope and we were eventually able to free
Aaron's boat.

We read and ran and followed the kayakers through the first canyon.
One of the final drops is a huge steep multi-ledge Class V. The
kayakers knew the run and would get ahead to look for wood in blind
drops and eddy out and shout directions. Dave and I took
turns "probing the catboat lines". This one was my turn and I could
tell it was huge. I got through the entrance ledges, Fish was
eddied out yelling to go left "row hard!" he said - and then I
dropped off the edge of the World. I could see what was coming in
enough time to line up well and push hard but I knew the front of
the boat was going to come up fast and instinctively dove to the
front of my frame. Catalina skyrocketed out of the hole, probably
the biggest ride of my life but I was able to keep the front down.
At that point I was the lead boat and there was another blind
horizon line directly in front of me, I was very happy to be right
side up. I gave Dave the "highside" signal and he did the same move
I did but his cat came down for a brutal landing on a flat rock but
he stayed on the boat. Mike's boat subbed out through the hole
because of his asymmetrical tubes. Aaron got the biggest air I have
ever seen and was ejected from his cat. Luckily, both landed in a
good eddy and he was quickly back on his boat.

Next up was an unexpected log portage that took a fair bit of time.
By then, you are mostly out of the first canyon but it was already
1:30 and dark comes quickly this time of year in deep canyons.

The only way I can describe the entrance to the 2'nd canyon is
ominous. The walls are completely vertical and the entire river is
almost completely blocked by 2 huge boulders - portage would be
impossible and the runnable slot on the right looked impossibly
small. This is the entrance move to a large, blind, complicated,
very technical, must-run Class V rapid. The kayakers went first and
all we could do is see where they disappeared to and go that way.
Dave went before me and when I got past the point where I could see
where to go I saw kayakers eddied out, people yelling to go left. I
was on the oars and in control and still, getting left looked
hopelessly impossible, the alternative looked worse. I made the
move -- everyone did well there - another huge horizon line was
right in front of us and Fish said this rapid was bigger. We did
the same thing with the kayakers eddy hopping/scouting in front
yelling directions and pointing. There were so many moves where you
had to just let go of the oars and lowside / body english the boat
to make a move and then get right back on the oars to pull a must-
make move.

We were not yet down to the named (i.e. hard) rapids. I looked up
and saw the tall bridge that marks the entry to High Steel Falls.
There are some tricky lead-in rapids above the main Class V drop.
The kayakers had gone ahead to scout a very narrow slot going over
about a 7' ledge (we couldn't tell how big the ledge was or what was
below it). At some point, Ned's kayak slid into the river and was
carried downstream. James gave chase but Ned was upstream above
some really gnarly Class V in a walled-in canyon without a boat.
While Ned was contemplating his situation, Aaron asked Dave for a
screwdriver so he could move the oar collar from the cataract shaft
he had snapped in half in the previous drop to his spare oar which
did not have a collar. Fish and Ned were trying to figure out the
best way for him to hike out. I looked at Ned's face and I knew
that hiking out wasn't an option. All he was wearing was his river
gear, it was going to be dark in a couple hours and even if he could
climb up the mostly vertical walls, we were miles from anywhere. "I
can take you" I told him. I knew that the three remaining big named
Class V's were portageable, maybe his boat wasn't very far
downstream. I was running with my flip thwart so there wasn't a ton
of room for a passenger but we made it work. I asked Ned if he knew
how to highside and he said yes. I said that was good because I had
been doing a lot of it that day. I was also thinking I had no idea
how I was going to run that kind of water with a passenger/loaded
boat and majorly tail heavy but Catalina and I would find a way. I
made the first technical Class IV move and lined up for the
hopelessly narrow slot against the right bank into a ledge I did not
know how tall it was or what was below. Fish was yelling
encouragement from the rock where he was scouting. I knew I was
tail heavy - I had a good line and hit the slot perfectly. I could
see the bottom (this was good), we took a big hit but stayed right
side up. Ned got knocked off the boat but stayed with the frame and
was instantly back on. Everyone was hooting and hollering - there
was another large ominous horizon line right below us and then we
saw -- Ned's boat!!! James had made a heroic effort to chase it
down. We were all very happy, especially Ned. The next 2 rapids,
High Steel Falls and Bobbing for Butler are the 2 biggest Class V's
on the run. The kayakers scouted for wood and then described the
line. We read and ran the next 2 drops based on verbal instructions
only. High Steel Falls is a series of stacked up 4-5' ledges.
Aaron fell off his boat halfway down the rapid and did an amazing
swim back to the boat and climbed on.

Below Bobbing for Butler is the mandatory portage - there is still a
lot more river left including Class V Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. We did
not have much daylight. The best way to describe the portage was an
amazing team effort. James figured out how to portage at river level
saving a brutal hike up hill and tons of time. We got the portage
done as quickly as humanly possible. There was a burly ledge
directly below with a lot of water feeding into rock outcropping.
Mike's tube got shoved under the rock causing him to be pinned for
quite some time. There was no way to get a rope to him and no other
way to run the ledge. He was eventually able to free his cat. Dave
went next and didn't get stuck. I went 3'rd and immediately figured
out what happened to Mike and it looked scary. I stayed far right
of the outcropping and banged my way through the slot and around the
corner but bent my left oar blade in half. The quickest thing to do
was have Dave jump on the blade and try to straigthen it - we got it
good enough and boogied down river. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride was
exactly that, it was at least as tall as the Helicopter drop on the
MF Feather. Fish said start right and drive left. I found it
amazing that it really is actually possible to drive a cat while in
the vertical position. You can still use your oars and the pillows
on rocks to change your angle enough to keep bad things from
happening. Dave and I successfully ran Mr. Toads Wild Ride. Mike
came down and his cat went airborne into a spectacular back flip at
the bottom of the drop. Mike stayed with the boat and got it re-
flipped and Aaron ran the drop without incident.

That is the last difficult drop - the river is Class II for the
final 3.5 miles. What is usually a relaxing float out became a full-
on race against the clock. It was getting dark fast and we all knew
it. We pushed hard the entire way - I don't think I have rowed that
hard for that long, ever. We were losing our battle with daylight,
it was now too dark for me to see the boat behind me. My night
vision is virtually non-existent and there were lots of shallow
places, there was wood, and we had no idea how much further the
takeout was or even if we could find it in what was now dark. I was
rowing on autopilot, I realized the small half sandwich I ate for
breakfast before we launched was long out of my system. We rowed on
through the dark - Dave said he could smell cows, that meant we were
now in the valley and getting close. Eventually we saw the lights
of houses - that meant we had less than a mile. Finally, out of the
blackness came hoots and hollers from the kayakers that they were at
the takeout. The takeout is mercifully easy - the river is about 10
feet from the road. All that remained was to wait in the dark and
the cold for the shuttle (which we estimated would take an hour).

Dave and I went prepared to spend the night out - we had extra food,
dry clothes and some emergency gear. Still, it was not a pleasant
proposition. We also would not have made as good of time as we did
on the river without kayak support. In the end, we (the catboaters)
only scouted 2 rapids. If you go with a group of all cats without
someone who knows the river be prepared for a long day. Many of the
scouts would be difficult but not impossible to get to in a cat. Be
prepared to shore scout most of the first canyon and every drop in
the second canyon.

We tried to take pictures and video as best we could given our time
constraints - we did get some video.



Edited by franzhorner - 24 Nov 2008 at 12:31pm
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  Quote septimus prime Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 12:38pm
Nice TR! Sounds like you guys had a blast.

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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 12:40pm
Reading Shelly's TR makes me realize how much a difference there is when rating difficulty between river crafts. I know its a thin difference, but the difference is certainly still there. Great Report and I sure hope we can get some of the footage posted up!!!!
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 12:53pm
Just to Add Detail... Neds boat took an unmanned seal launch about a 1/4 mile above High Steel Falls. I made an initial effort to get the boat but I was not able to swim it too shore in time, well I could have decided to swim the rest of the run, but I really wanted to keep my own boat... so I parted with Neds and swam back to shore to get mine. (Which was carefully placed as to not make unmanned movements!!!!) JP then blazed ahead of me running several ledges blind in hot pursuit of the boat. By the time I caught up to JP he was just finishing the extraction in the last eddy above High Steel Falls!!!!

Nice work JP...  kinda reminded me of the Dukes of Hazzard down there!!!
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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 1:30pm
I was very confused about what had happened with Ned's boat.  Running those drops above HSF blind shows great teamwork and determination on JP's part.  Jumping in the river after someone else's boat takes the cake though!

I've been at the bottom of the Boulder Drop drinking and having a safety meeting on the rocks while watching guide trainees crash when my boat drifted down stream without me!!  This was very embarrassing.  I had to row Aarons boat to push mine to shore and then Aaron got a ride with one of the said trainee boats...  OOPS!  Pulling a raft up on shore is a good idea.  Carrying it up on shore and tying it off is better. 

Another run away boat incident I recall was on Upper Matheny.  Hunter and Aaron were so excited to scout Sharks Fin falls that they forgot there were three of us and there was only enough room for 2 boats in the eddy.  I was the sweep boat.  Actually they pulled into the nicest spot above the falls and left their boats precariously balanced on the shore of a 2-3 boat eddy.  When I got there they were already scouting the drop.  I asked Aaron to give me a hand finding a place to get out and put my boat and in the process of doing so Aaron's boat got pushed into the river.  He had to swim after it and none of us got to run the drop....

In some cases when creeking I think it is paramount that the lead boats get out of the river for a scout very promptly and that they consider the ease and space for those behind.  Lead boaters should wait until everyone is safely out of the river and boats safely stored on shore before continuing downstream for a scout or portage.  I agree sometimes an eddy can be huge making it easy for everyone to find a spot, but, when creeking I believe its important for everyone to be on shore safely with their boat safely stashed before moving downstream.

There is nothing worse than pulling into an eddy above a big drop with no one there and the entire eddy cluttered with precariously stashed kayaks.  This happens to people who like to sweep all the time and never to point boats....


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  Quote catwoman4cfs Replybullet Posted: 24 Nov 2008 at 6:46pm
Thanks again for the kayak support on the SF Skok - that was quite the luxury for us and a truly fun run!  Hopefully the entertainment value helped offset the work of portaging 4 cats
 
Dave and I would definitely do that one again and we are planning to get out on a lot more creeking runs this year.  We didn't get as much video as we had hoped for but most of what we did get involved some type of carnage - I'll try and post some frame grabs soon.
 
Did anyone else have a camera or are we it?
 
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 12:21am
I didn't get any photos on that trip. Great runs, Shelly and Dave! I guess after watching you guys stopm out the N. Frk Payette, I confess I underestimated how challenging the Skok must've been. I mean, I saw the carnage first hand and all, but next time I think I'll make more of a deliberate attempt to be even tighter with regards to setting safety.

Ned's boat: I screwed up initially and got out of my boat before I knew what was happening. This put me behind the curve of the situation. Had I already been skirted up, it would have been an exponentially quick recovery. James cliff jump nto the river after the boat was valiant, but not realistic. Still, I 'd have attempted the same thing. I felt responsible for not being in position, and figured I could probably chase it blind (I'd never been on the Skok before).
      Sure enough, I just couldn't get it in to the bank, and eventually came to a sticky, enclosed ledge drop. By now James was starting to catch up in his boat. I saw Ned's boat leaving the pool below the ledge and had to leap. It was sticky and I could barely paddle out. It took everything I had to make sure I wasn't hole bait.
     Finally i saw the river sweep to the outside turn with a big eddy on R.Right, in the classic way that rivers pool up on the outsides of their bends just before a significant rapid. Rivers do this all over the world. I knew I had a golden opportunity to get the boat pushed into the eddy. I also knew If I didn't, It was going through something I didn't want to run blind. Something was overhead but I was focussed on the boat. When I was up on shore James caught up and pointed out the "High Steel" of the bridge above.


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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 12:30am
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In some cases when creeking I think it is paramount that the lead boats get out of the river for a scout very promptly and that they consider the ease and space for those behind.  Lead boaters should wait until everyone is safely out of the river and boats safely stored on shore before continuing downstream for a scout or portage.  I agree sometimes an eddy can be huge making it easy for everyone to find a spot, but, when creeking I believe its important for everyone to be on shore safely with their boat safely stashed before moving downstream.

There is nothing worse than pulling into an eddy above a big drop with no one there and the entire eddy cluttered with precariously stashed kayaks.  This happens to people who like to sweep all the time and never to point boats....




Well that certainly bears repeating. I know different people have different protocols, but most people these days are very sloppy about the way they run trips down the river. Skills and equipement have come a long way but not so much so that we can afford to be complacent. We should all leave the put-in at the same time, and keep our groups tight as we go down river. People get way out ahead and seldom look back. Fluke things happen. If you're spread out you can't do shit for one another when they do.

It's a challenge when you paddle with other craft you're not used to sharing the river with. Observing the patterns and behaviors of other craft is important, so you can harmonize.

I'd like to more trips with you cat boaters. It was fun.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 8:26am
I did not bring my Camera, bummed about that too. I want a photo of Horner's Ride on Mr Toads pretty bad!!!! That thing was Like a Skokin Cat Launch Pad!

I think your camera was the only one on the river. Here is a cool little photo I made a few years back that gives a good vantage point... The High Steel Bridge!

 
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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 10:41am



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Well that certainly bears repeating. I know different people have different protocols, but most people these days are very sloppy about the way they run trips down the river. Skills and equipement have come a long way but not so much so that we can afford to be complacent. We should all leave the put-in at the same time, and keep our groups tight as we go down river. People get way out ahead and seldom look back. Fluke things happen. If you're spread out you can't do shit for one another when they do.

It's a challenge when you paddle with other craft you're not used to sharing the river with. Observing the patterns and behaviors of other craft is important, so you can harmonize.

I'd like to more trips with you cat boaters. It was fun.
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We should all tighten up our protocols regarding how we run our trips.  Since I've done a lot of catboating around kayakers and rafters I'm pretty in tune with what I need to do to keep out of the kayakers way.  I also kayak in my duckie a lot too so that helps me be more considerate.   One thing for sure is that if I'm in a kayak I'm out ahead of the rafts and if I'm on my catboat I'm in the back.   If we come to a big drop and I'm in my kayak then I will let the rafters run it first and set safety.  After I run the drop then I'm out ahead again...

sometime soon some of you yakkers should get on my catboat and feel the power!  I would have fun kayaking the sky while maybe, James, rows my boat!  That would be something! 
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  Quote Kayakmedic Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 11:11am
FYI there is a good (well good as it could be there) hike out trail river right right at Bobbing for Butler Hole. At the top there is an old logging grade along the rim of the gorge in that area that will take you back to Lake West that is not on any current maps. Also there are several trails river right down in the area of Mr Toads wild ride that fishermen use in the summer.
 
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  Quote catwoman4cfs Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 11:31am
Good News - we got all of Horner's Wild Ride in Mr. Toad's on video.  I'm not sure how Dave got eddied out and on the camera so quick  but he did.  He got the tail end of my run and all of Horner's - the video stops abruptly as cameraman starts to chase upside down boat.....
 
For my part (and it's only my opinion) I think the North Fork Payette is much more difficult than the Skok but I did think the Skok was harder than Canyon Creek.  Robe's definitely has stouter chunkier drops but there is also more room for oars which helps a lot -- also we did not run Little Miss Sunshine when we ran Robe, but next time I think I will try it.  The reason the Skok was such a challenge for cats is because of how little room there was for oars in many of the bigger drops and the bigger drops were definitely big enough to do bad things to you if you missed a must make move.  Lots of sieves and bad places to swim if you got separated.
 
Which is why the Skok was so much fun!  It was really cool to see how much you can do with your oars while being constrained to very small strokes, finesse taps and many times without the luxury of being able to use both oars.  -- I have become fairly proficient at rowing with one oar due to countless stupid things I have done in the past .  
 
I also think it's awesome JP was able to corral Ned's boat. Single handedly and blindly chasing and catching any kind of boat is not easy.
 
On the subject of running hard rivers with a crew of mixed craft (cats/kayaks, cats/IK's) the primary responsibility of the cat drivers is don't become a scary floating obstacle - kayaks are much faster than cats and even though they can catch very small eddies and stop mid-rapid, that might not be their Plan A.   Cats are also very good at rescuing swimmers and chasing down "stuff" if necessary.   We also can carry a little more weight on our boats and I have found that in steep walled canyons, extra rope and some climbing gear is a good thing to have. 
 
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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 12:47pm
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FYI there is a good (well good as it could be there) hike out trail river right right at Bobbing for Butler Hole. At the top there is an old logging grade along the rim of the gorge in that area that will take you back to Lake West that is not on any current maps. Also there are several trails river right down in the area of Mr Toads wild ride that fishermen use in the summer.
 
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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Posted: 25 Nov 2008 at 12:48pm
can't wait to see those videos!![


QUOTE=catwoman4cfs]Good News - we got all of Horner's Wild Ride in Mr. Toad's on video.  I'm not sure how Dave got eddied out and on the camera so quick  but he did.  He got the tail end of my run and all of Horner's - the video stops abruptly as cameraman starts to chase upside down boat.....
 
For my part (and it's only my opinion) I think the North Fork Payette is much more difficult than the Skok but I did think the Skok was harder than Canyon Creek.  Robe's definitely has stouter chunkier drops but there is also more room for oars which helps a lot -- also we did not run Little Miss Sunshine when we ran Robe, but next time I think I will try it.  The reason the Skok was such a challenge for cats is because of how little room there was for oars in many of the bigger drops and the bigger drops were definitely big enough to do bad things to you if you missed a must make move.  Lots of sieves and bad places to swim if you got separated.
 
Which is why the Skok was so much fun!  It was really cool to see how much you can do with your oars while being constrained to very small strokes, finesse taps and many times without the luxury of being able to use both oars.  -- I have become fairly proficient at rowing with one oar due to countless stupid things I have done in the past .  
 
I also think it's awesome JP was able to corral Ned's boat. Single handedly and blindly chasing and catching any kind of boat is not easy.
 
On the subject of running hard rivers with a crew of mixed craft (cats/kayaks, cats/IK's) the primary responsibility of the cat drivers is don't become a scary floating obstacle - kayaks are much faster than cats and even though they can catch very small eddies and stop mid-rapid, that might not be their Plan A.   Cats are also very good at rescuing swimmers and chasing down "stuff" if necessary.   We also can carry a little more weight on our boats and I have found that in steep walled canyons, extra rope and some climbing gear is a good thing to have. 
 
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 26 Nov 2008 at 9:49pm
Hey just so you guys know, I'd be REALLY phsyched to run Robe with you guys anytime you want to cat it! As I get more familiar with it, I'm learning where to set safety. I'd be game to run down ahead and get out with throwbags for you guys for sure. Keep it in mind if you ever want to go!

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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 27 Nov 2008 at 9:43am
COunt me in too... I would jump on the chance to see another day of Squirt Cattin!!!

If horner will run sunshine in his baby cat... I will even bring safety supplies and set safety for the day where ever when ever!

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  Quote catwoman4cfs Replybullet Posted: 28 Nov 2008 at 2:02pm
Thanks - that would be awesome!
 
When Dave and I ran it we had 3 cats and it took us almost 12 hrs and we didn't take any breaks.  We launched at the bridge way upstream from the campground (that took extra time) the portage at Sunshine took time, the portage at Landslide took a lot of time and we scouted every horizon line past Hole-in-the-Wall.  There are things I would do differently in the future that I think would save a lot of  time.  Running Sunshine would definitely help - I really do think it's doable in a cat, haven't heard of anyone trying it yet. Having safety would be incredibly helpful.  I have always given myself about 50% chance at best of landing right side up..... so that's probably a good indicator that someone should be taking pictures
 
The level was 5.2 and that was good for cats - I can see where the hole in Conversation would get really ugly at higher water but it wasn't bad that day. 
 
Dave and I are definitely in for another Robe run - I would like to get to know the river better.
 
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  Quote franzhorner Replybullet Posted: 29 Nov 2008 at 1:30pm
I'm up for Robe but only with the kayaker support of those like Wetmouse, Fish  and James.  I'd want to have Shelly and Dave along too! 

I used to think that someday I'd get on Robe when I was a weathered bad ass boater somewhere closer to middle age and it would be the ultimate trip of my lifetime.  I've scouted some of the drops a couple of times 4 or 5 years ago and they looked impossible. 

Times are different now.  I'm ready.  Lets do it.
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