never done the run before, it'd be nice to know if there was another group to meet up with, to speed up our first run. the forecasted flow is 850, is that too high?

 

Easy there paddle pup,  reach back and get that spray skirt unbunched, it will be okay.

 

all valid points my young jedi.  i know how unaccessible FITW is, perhpas stooksberry and coombs will venture in there and scout it out for us and give us some beta. 

 

this reminds me of the "broken society" post up here a few weeks ago, funny how many of you all got all fired up about people not taking personal responsibility for thier actions,  yet when it comes to figuring out shit on your own on the river, you get all butt hurt when somebody does not spoon feed you the beta.  Any boater worth their stink knows that it is not prudent creeking protocol to bomb down creeks blindly at the start of season. shit changes, rocks fall, avalanches bring logs down, floods happen.  How is that any different on FITW?  get out of your boat and look at the drops for yer self and make your own call if you think that it is a pin spot, sieve or etc.  don't rely on somebody to make the call for you.  it was nice of jeff to put the picture up and give the beta, but fuck, so what if meghan does not tell us.  take a peak for yourself.  are you not boaters yourself?

 

Look, I won't argue endlessly. I did MOSTLY grow tired of that. But Hugo's NOT advocating "Every Man/Woman for Him/Herself".

 

He's advocating-

 

"Think for Yourself". There is a difference. You can't scout a river from a F*#kin computer. You can road scout, bank scout, boat scout, but you can't computer scout. So there's no point in gettin all huffy. It's the over-sensitive REACTIONARY stuff that weakens the content on these forums. I know first hand, having been GUILTY of it in the past.

 

Meghan did her part simply by saying:

FITW: watch out

 

Community is what you make it. And you know what? It ISN'T made on the internet. It's made on the RIVER. Like Chip says... Let's just go paddle. This internet stuff only adds an unnecessary layer (but thanks for the heads up Meghan!).

 

 

 

As for "Larrys Ledge", If the drop has changed, then so must the name. That name could'nt stick anyway.

 

Hey pal, I don't see you getting worked up over JeffR knowing about the change, taking a picture and not calling you personally to let you know to be careful.    I said not to bomb at will cause a rapid had changed.  So, back off and get some perspective on what you get angry about.

 

interesting convolution of words my man, ineresting indeed.

that was the forecast, our plans changed for the Ohanepecosh, but when that got above 1500 we decided to see if the south fk skokomish would come up but when it didn't we ran the tiltion instead, which is almost completely free of wood, if the flow is below 1000 take the right chute in leap of faith to avoid some wood.

dude, why would you say that?  totally lame. 

Content shared ought be specific and accurate. 

Nobody should be using this forum to bash on others, even if they pose, selfaggrandize, or reek of reefer. 

 

 

O.k. Harsh words, it's true. But none the less a point is being made. An opinion expressed. Yes it would be better if it was less inflamatory, but Peronally I agree with his point regarding the Rapid and it's name. EXCEPT! -- For the fact that there isn't ANYTHING to Limbo there anymore!! There hasn't been for, what? two years? So just to play Diablo's advocate, is "Limbo" really an appropriate name? It is a Generic name. "Larry's Ledge"  however, is much less generic because it describes a specific, significant incident. But this could be it's own discussion, too, no?

 

Yeah, I try to play nice, and advocate that generally, but people like I said get too worked up. Some people will always be inflamatory, but others also need at least some sort of thickness to their skin as well. Politeness is good, but walking on eggshells isn't.

 

--anyway- I think Meghan did enough by posting what she did. I also notice that a few people posted in a reactionary way. Go back and read their posts, and you will see that they injected all kinds of inferences into their comments that aren't even evident in Meghan's original post.

Your comments aren't very constructive at the moment, not that I care. However-- FITWah on the early end of it's season is HAZARDOUS when the snow is deep and in the creekbed. This cannot be overstated. Be advised, all of us.

 

Internet boaters are SO SPOILED with beta! AW, Oregon Kayaking, GOOGLE MAPS, all sorts of trip report blogs, THIS SITE... Fine. But then when someone doesn't go into GNATS ASS detail about the most recent changes, some people get all pissy about it, as if they are entitled to every last Kilobyte of beta just because they have a computer and are hooked up to the world wide web.

 

How do you know Meghan isn't just busy with things in her real life? what if she gave as much time to the notice as she had. What, was she supposed to hire a survey team to measure it all out for you? Maybe someone can digitally map it and reconstruct a CGI flythrough in 3D Studio Max?

 

 

 

 

Why isn't it enough simply to know FITWah has changed? Personally, that's the sort of stuff that gets me excited while I'm at work wishing I was kayaking. Adds to the sense of adventure to know that- hey- next time I get on that run I need to keep my eyes open and be on my toes. That's what paddling is for me--adventure, however mild or intense I choose to make it.

 

Why Not  use this kernal of information as a way to get excited about the season to come up there, and these very same people who you will most likely encounter up there, weather you plan to or not? To get all offended by someone else's "community" behavior is the wrong thing to focus on.

 

If you aren't happy with your comunity, usually you have to look in the mirror for at least part of the solution.

    I love the old school attitude JP! 

 

because the shit you say is stupid...

I'll thave to trust you on that one Leif. 

 

Oops, I should have said that in person. 

Should we change the name of the 2nd drop on the Cascade because the bridge has been removed?  Or rename the drop below Island on FITW because I haven't seen a fisherman there in quite a few years?  Or...   the biggest drop between Roadside and Bridge on Icicle because the limbo log is long gone? 

 

Megan, I'm smitten.  You probably have a beau, but if not PM me and I'll show you the world.         

 

Regarding Meghan's: Whatever her reasons for keeping it coy, sharing the beta would have been cooler than not.

 

That said, I don't know Meghan, and she may be the coolest person around, but whoever defended her (or suggested to watch out) because she was a ripper... Well, I've known lots of folks that boat circles around me (not difficult 'cause I'm pretty mediocre) that I wouldn't let shine my flip flops. Boating prowess does not equate to much other than boating prowess. Again, I don't know Meghan so maybe she's just having a little fun and is a great person. Jon certainly seems to like her style...

 

And JP, I love the fact that you're "old school" and defend boating as it was before the internet but really, the internet is just a tool that allows us to gather info faster that might prove useful to some folks. If that makes boating safer and more fun, that's pretty cool. There are plenty of rivers to challenge ourselves on without holding back useful beta.

 

If you really want to be old school, walk the talk and get rid of that plastic boat and paddle a glass one like we did in the early '70's, several years before the first plastic boats came out (Hollowform - 1973). Or better yet, grab a log and float down the river on it like they did 10,000 years ago. That's old school.... I still think you're cool dude, and like paddling with you. I'm just having a little fun here.

 

 

Megan is looking for a long boater, John. Sorry.

 

sorry man,

  which ones were my good points?  the whole scouting thing or the leaf says stupid shit thing?  don't worry though, soon enough, I will be spouting out filthy nonsensical diatribe again

 

Hu-goes big!

Sir Boofs Alot! I got several laughs out of your post, even if you have a cheesy name! You can rip on me all you want -- just stay out of my path on the river-maybe eddy out until i paddle by-- otherwise you might get yourself JOUSTED, IMPALED or worse by my Longboat Lance. I'll probably never find out who you really are, since it appears that Alter egos are all the rage here- Too bad because I can laugh at myself (and everyone else) and would probably be inclined to pass you a beer at the T.O. if I knew it was you.

 

Sorry you have such a short attention spa, though. That's the internet doin that to you, you know- go paddle more or read some Melville-- "Fast Fish, Loose Fish".

 

14- thanks for the "Trueschool" comment. I really do try to "keep it real", and I do adapt and adopt. Playboating just doesn't really entice me. Still, I mess around in those stupid little boats a bit. Full spectrum.