WA's Best Class V Rapid
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Topic: WA's Best Class V Rapid
Posted By: RemAcct3
Subject: WA's Best Class V Rapid
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2007 at 12:47pm
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We have alot of sponsored paddlers, professional paddlers, and full time paddling junkies in washington so I am pretty sure this question might generate more than one answer. What is the best class V rapid in the state, and why?
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2007 at 1:28pm
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Daryl, this is just like my thread.. well a little different but really cmon be original for goodness sakes. My vote is Richochet. You get ledges, horizon lines, holes and even eddies at different levels. The whole rapid is roadside and to make it all just a little bit better it is right next to nothing but more quality whitewater!!! There are a few other rivers that could have some beefy rapids on them but I have never done those runs. I can't really speak to the quality of the rapids on the Clear fork Cowlitz, Ernies Canyon, etc... Those are the runs that seperate the amateur level paddlers from the pro level paddlers and for that reason I am still working up to them. So to all you pro's what can top Richochet out there? ------------- |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2007 at 1:44pm
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the top of Gettin Busy to the bottom of Boulder Sluice on the Little White. It may be two names, but at 3.7feet it's a great single rapid! ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 10:57am
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I can't believe it ... I am sitting here typing a pissed off message because Robe is at 5.5 and all my friends are going to be out there enjoying a perfect level while I am sitting at home. THis is the worst weekend of my whole year so far... I would rather slide down the freagin sultan with a cracked boat then deal with this cuff one more day. Why post here... while I don't think that any rapid on the Robe deserves to be on this thread, I do think that the run as a whole ranks as one of our states premier class V's. Not any single rapid stands out as more quality than Gettin Busy or Richochet but there are tons of good rapids and not much flat inbetween. So I figured I would toss Robe to the list of States Best class V runs but not individual rapids. ------------- |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 7:58pm
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I haven't run the Little White and only looked at Ricochet (6000?) once, but I understand the LW is world class and Ricochet is a very quality looking rapid. Of the rapids I have run I would say Big Brother and the lower section of the Carbon where the stacked up V's are before the flats are both high quality. I ran big bro at 1'10". I understand the gauge read 6" lower now since the flood (2'4" on the old gauge) and Carbon at 600. Both are very high quality in rapids and scenery. The commitment of the Carbon adds to the mystique, respect, and feeling of almost a forbidden place. It's magical. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 8:32pm
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Originally posted by water wacko
I haven't run the Little White and only looked at Ricochet (6000?) once, but I understand the LW is world class and Ricochet is a very quality looking rapid. Of the rapids I have run I would say Big Brother and the lower section of the Carbon where the stacked up V's are before the flats are both high quality. I ran big bro at 1'10". I understand the gauge read 6" lower now since the flood (2'4" on the old gauge) and Carbon at 600. Both are very high quality in rapids and scenery. The commitment of the Carbon adds to the mystique, respect, and feeling of almost a forbidden place. It's magical. dude, monique swam more class V than you have ever ran.. ------------- suck it |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 8:36pm
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I'm sorry your jealous Hugo. it's obvious you won't even post your name. Pussy. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 8:45pm
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I dunno Brett... Monique swam a whole heck of alot of class V lol.. Hey on the Carbon are those rapids much like what you find in Robe Canyon? I have looks silty in both places... J ------------- |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 8:57pm
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Are not you guys forgetting a classical easy class V? FITW, maybe not the hardest, but certainly one of the best! ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 9:02pm
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hey Dave, this is the Bash A Pro section. You must've forgotten. No wonder pros hang out with other pros. Everybody else is just a jealous bitch. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 9:34pm
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No Comment!!
Apparently just a JEALOUS BIOTCH!
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Posted By: justin
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 9:36pm
| I'm surprised that no one has mentioned any of the runs in Whatcom County. The Clearwater, Canyon Creek, The Middle Fork of the Nooksack. I haven't boated any of them but from the class V boaters I know they never stop talking about them. Also I hear that Robe is the best V in the I 5 corridor. |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 10:27pm
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Uhh, it's says IV+V in the books, but I guess if your a class V junkie then it may not be a V to you. In the end it's all matter of perspective, kind of like one of Einstien's theorys. ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2007 at 11:11pm
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I don't know if I'd call FITW at medium and lower flow a class V (minus the top drop). Sure it's steep, but it boats rather easy and is pretty forgiving. Not trying to downgrade, but when you compare it to a solid V, there's noticeable difference. That being said, I'm always pretty relieved to run Fisherman's cleanly. ------------- |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 10:17am
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while I don't think that any rapid on the Robe deserves to be on this thread, I do think that the run as a whole ranks as one of our states premier class V's. Not any single rapid stands out as more quality than Gettin Busy or Richochet but there are tons of good rapids and not much flat inbetween. So I figured I would toss Robe to the list of States Best class V runs but not individual rapids. [/QUOTE] I think James was on to something by re directing this a little. It's hard to pick one best rapid since skill level, personal preference, and mental game play a HUGE part. and it seems as if there are paddlers on here from all different regions of the state and when you get into your local run you end up running them at higher levels and get more comfortable with them than most who just run them while visiting the area. I have not run Robe or Ernie's, but I'm sure they have HIGH quality rapids on each and not just the rapids but the over all run...that is why you keep hearing about each of them. Here are my top 5 runs based on my local area and quality based on personal experience.
1)Little White
2)Green Truss
3)Salmon River Canyon
4)Eagle Creek
5)Hagen Gorge ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 10:55am
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Thanks CRG, Your dead on .... Kinda of what we were talking about at Sullivan... Once you get to know the lines levels start to get changed quite a bit for the locals. As far as FITW goes... I just would not say it is class V anywhere... The first drop is of course the hardest drop of the run (FITW proper) but it is a single drop. I dunno I just would keep calling FITW IV+ maybe IV-V depending on water levels. I dig those last 3 rivers CRG ... Rarely heard about in Seattle Zones but high quality runs from the sounds of it. I am not sure why you called this the make fun of a pro section... Nothing to laugh at with CRG's stacked up list of tasty suggestions. Is there something funny in your list of suggestions Brett? ------------- |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 11:54am
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maybe it's becasue the bar was set high at the begining of the post. Gettin Busy and Richochet are a couple solid class V rapids and class V varies between each paddler. Richotchet at first scout could look like class VI to some paddlers. Let's here what some favorite runs are, not just scarry in your face class V's. Sounds like Fall in the Wall is a local favorite up there as well as Robe...what else? ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: STLboater
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 12:05pm
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Zig zag on the truss is a pretty sweet rapid. Who doesn't love to have a legitimate reason to zig zag through a rapid?
------------- Kayak Academy Whitewater Instructor |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 12:37pm
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James in answer to your earlier question about Robe vs Carbon... Carbon is a much easier run in my opinion, even more so since the recent floods. They differ in a few areas. First carbon is more narrow and pool drop, it just feels ominous becausue it's so dark and gloomy in there. Robe is more continuous and has larger more complex drops. Here is my top five. 1. Little White 2. Icicle Creek 3. Green Truss 4. Ohanepecosh 5. Robe Btw- imo... FITW is not class V with the exception of FITW proper, even that is a stretch. And i would only rate it that way, because of the undercut cave as a hazard. ------------- |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 1:35pm
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So wheres the biggest baddest runnable rapid in the state? Bridge Creek, Icicle? The Monster Ledges & Slides on Thunder Creek? Landslide on Robe? Not like a waterfall, sunset, snoqualmie etc... I'm talking runnable rapid. lol J ------------- |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 1:48pm
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Exit , Tumwater Canyon
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Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 1:58pm
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hmm...well by no waterfall you mean start in a pool, and fall into a pool.
I would say Silver Falls (Ohanie) would count in the catagory your talking about. Big stout lead in, straight into a big drop. It's not exatly a pool to pool waterfall and has been run by a few paddlers.
Other than that the W.F. of Miller seems to be HUGE! never seen it in person, but from what I've heard there are some class V+ boulder gardens and Class VI, depending how you feel that day.
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Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:16pm
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That's the thing, this state seems to be full of one-shot wonders....maybe linking a few moves between pools ON AVERAGE (ya, I know there are exceptions like Icicle,Clearwater, etc.). So imo, there are tons of stellar runs as a whole, but not so many great "rapids". We actually looked at W.F. Miller this weekend and that creek just looks to be one long rapid. I'd like to see it with a proper flow going down it for a better sense.
Fish, Exit? If I've run it, it can't be considered the hardest.
edit: ok, I've only been up here a year and a half and there are a lot of creeks I haven't paddled so take my comments with a grain of salt, eh. ------------- |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:26pm
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I agree on Exit ... really a one move rapid more or less.... ------------- |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:33pm
Sure i've run it a bunch of times as well... still makes my stomach turn everytime i pull out of the eddy though... what flows have you guys run it at? Sure at 1500cfs no biggie, what about 4000cfs ![]("smileys/smiley20.gif") Then i guess that opens up a whole can of worms when we talk flow... then everything changes i suppose. Richochet at normal flows is a mile of bliss, get in there at high flows and were talking something totally different, ya know. ------------- |
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:43pm
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Heh heh, ya it was at 1,500, it was easy, and I'll never run it again after finding out about the "hazards". ------------- |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:43pm
![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif") Flow makes all the difference! I thought Fish to Bob's on the Clackamas couldn't get super challenging, normaly class III-III+, until I ran it at over 14,000 cfs one winter...Carter's rapid was HUGE!!!------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 2:45pm
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Carter Rapid? is that the rapid with the gates over it at the Clackamas Whitewater festival?
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Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 3:06pm
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yep, that's it. ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 3:42pm
POWERHOUSE.![]("smileys/smiley4.gif") ------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 4:36pm
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How about Satan's Little Friend on the UU MF Snoqualmie. It's more or less a big slide, but there are palces to be and not. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: jalmquist
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 6:49pm
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Or, how about the one rapid that makes people think twice about doing a run - maybe even keeps people off an otherwise great run.
My vote: Rick's Slide. Not that big, but...
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Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 6:58pm
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Good one, John. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: Confucius
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 7:35pm
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I am Confucius and I have come to this place to share my wisdom and also to learn the wisdom of the great one called Professor Paddle. The Superior man sees the river as a constant factor in time and space thus making any class V a class II and visa versa. Therefore only your mind and the power within oneself can ultimately decide the difficulty of any given rapid. I shall post again and look forward to seeing you on the river. ------------- Through words and deeds the superior man moves heaven and earth. Must one not, then, be cautious? "Confucius,500 BC" |
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2007 at 10:03pm
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Originally posted by jalmquist Or, how about the one rapid that makes people think twice about doing a run - maybe even keeps people off an otherwise great run. My vote: Rick's Slide. Not that big, but...
So this either falls under that it's an unportageable drop and have to run it or you want to clean the run and wait till you have the confidence/abilities to do so? One that comes to mind for me is Entrance Falls on Vallecito Creek in Colorado. ------------- |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:46am
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Triple Trust on Thunder Creek. No portage... no scout... ------------- |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:57am
hourglass rapid on Eagle Creek. No portage...you can scout, but it won't do any good..you can see the big lead in hole and the violent crashing reaction waves coming off the walls and then the pinch at the bottom as it turns the corner....still white and dropping!![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif") ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 9:41am
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Originally posted by Fish Btw- imo... FITW is not class V with the exception of FITW proper, even that is a stretch. And i would only rate it that way, because of the undercut cave as a hazard. Fish, I think I would say Root Ball although a fairly straighforward drop by itself definitely has class 5 consequence at medium levels and downright scary at high water. |
Posted By: slickhorn
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 2:57pm
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Great thread here ... I was holding off since pro and solid V opinions were solicited, but we seem far enough off that topic that I'll throw a couple things out. I don't consider myself a V boater, more a low water boater that occasionally dips into the IV-V runs. But my favs among the harder things I've run are McCoy Ohane Truss Cooper My favorite V-ish drops: Double Drop, Truss Box Drop, Tye every inch of the cooper And how about a new category: favorite waterfalls! Chinook Falls, McCoy Big Brother, Truss Wishbone, LWS And one more silly one: easiest rapids you've portaged. Even though you know you can run them, something just sketches ya ... Sidewinder, Farmlands Last Nasty, Sultan ------------- |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 3:04pm
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Oh, I can totally get into the portaging thread, I know all about walking rapids. Last Nasty is only easy on the right bank, (the left is heinous) Screaming Left EF Lewis. Prethrasher and Thrasher on CC
Favorite Waterfalls,
BK CC Lewis
Sunset, EF Lewis and Horseshoe (trying to get the weekend stoke on)
You gotta love Husom?
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Posted By: Kyle K
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:04pm
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This is a great thread! I like the way it's developed.
Note: I am a weekend class V boater at best so some of my choices may not be considered class V by other boaters. I've also yet to run Little White or Robe Canyon so I know I'm missing some good ones.
Instead of "Best" I'll go with Favorite Class V, only I can't pick just one:
Double Drop on the White Salmon
Log Boof on the Ohane (hey, it's odd but it's fun!)
Summit Creek on the Ohane
Right line on POW on Tumwater at <1200 (prior to this year)
Favorite waterfalls:
Big Brother on the White Salmon
Behemoth on UU Cispus
Scariest Rapids (I've always taken the dry line on these):
Last Drop above Franklin on FITW (below Root Ball)
BZ Falls on the White Salmon still scares me even though it's very straight forward
Exit on Tumwater
Favorite Runs:
Green Truss - White Salmon
Clearwater Creek
Canyon Creek - EF Lewis (not really a V but really fun)
Cooper on a sunny day with good water (also not really a V)
Favorite Rapid I've ever run. This one isn't in WA but I had to give it props:
Plastic Surgery on South Silver Creek in CA
I'm sure I'm forgetting all kinds of rapids and runs. Bottom line: It's ALL fun!
------------- "I used to be somebody, now I'm somebody else." Bad Blake |
Posted By: jondufay
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:12pm
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Whatever kyle, Clearwater sucks. No good. Do not waste your time by boating this creek. Just flatwater interrupted by mank.... yeah right, my top two runs are Robe and Clearwater. Number three is a toss up...nf nookie (the bend), upper chilliwack (the canyon), top tye...icicle...callaghan...upper cheak...birkenhead...thunder...oh shit, it goes on and on. ------------- ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating... |
Posted By: hutchm
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:28pm
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My vote is on ricochet, not a cleaner longer class V. Run it countless times from a trickle up to a flow that I would rather forget, but its all good on the cicle.
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Posted By: Kyle K
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 7:30pm
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Yeah Jon, you're right, it does go on and on! I forgot about Top Tye, also one of my fav's. Haven't run anything else up Clearwater way or in C-eh-N-eh-D-eh so can't comment but they all look awesome from pics and posts.
Frankly, I haven't run all that many runs multiple times, or even all that many runs at all, although I have explored a bit in Californicatia and Montucky. Like I said, I am a weekend warrior at best. Fatherhood and a very busy work schedule and, um, er, nerves have kept me off some of the classics. I like a good adrenalin rush with my whitewater (always with big respect to the rio!) but I prefer not to be completely terrified.
Oh yes, another always portage, scares me big time, rapid is Elbow Room on the Ohane.
My goal is to get on the Little White in 2008. If that happens I'll be pretty thrilled.
PS: Have we ever met? ------------- "I used to be somebody, now I'm somebody else." Bad Blake |
Posted By: jondufay
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2007 at 11:53pm
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I met you a few years ago at the powerhouse. some drunk dude ran over a kid at the put in that day. then i chatted with you a few weeks ago on the sultan.
jon ------------- ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating... |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 9:07am
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Um...how 'bout that lil' ol' Fork of the Cowlitz that's Clear? I'm shocked that a thread about WA's best class V hasn't mentioned this gem of a gem. Granted, last years floods weren't that kind to the ol' girl, but she's still a high-quality piece of...whitewater. 5 miles of steep creeking in a beautiful & committing gorge. Falls, big ledges, boofs, grinds, boulder-gardening. It had my #1 spot, until The Robe version 2007 came on board. Entrance Exam? I ran it blind on beta my first time on CFC, and it's one of the scariest things I've done in a kayak. Like a smaller version of Wall Drug on Tatlow, with two big ledges right below.
Ricochet cetainly deserves a nod for "best class V rapids". I will say, I always catch eddies in there (usually 3) so it kind of breaks it up a bit, and doesn't always feel like one "rapid".
Clearwater simply has to be on the list of best class V runs as well.
I'm also going to plug my favorite little gem up I-90...Franklin Falls section below FITW? When clean, it's a pretty packed stretch and totally worth it. Has anyone looked too see if it's clean of wood? Was a bit choked last year. It has a great one-two punch with Superboof & The 20 footer just below. Z-turn is full on, and the double butt-crack ledge below that is so much fun when you hit it. You boof & land in a 5 foot wide crack...don't land sideways. Also, don't forget about the section of The SF Snoq below Denny Creek CG down to I-90. When FITW is high (too high?) check that section out. There are some fun rapids in there. I always wanted to do 90-90, but have never been able to put that together. Put-in @ I-90 (FITW put-in), take-out I-90 at Exit 47. You want high water, but not too high where The Franklin Section gets a bit out of hand.
Ernies might need to be on this list, but I honestly can't say as my only run through there had me so scared, I barely remember anything.
Anyways, great thread, but somewhat subjective. Makes you realize how much great whitewater paddleboating there is in this state of WA.
What about the possibility of high-quality WA class V that is (mostly) unknown? I've heard rumblings about The Upper Queets & Upper Hoh having some burl? I'm sure there's some quality still waiting to be discovered in The OP. Then there's that stuff around Chelan...Agnes, Railroad, Company, others?
~SYOTMFR~
p.s. one more nod for Thunder...WA's new high-quality IV-V late season classic. Runs into September.
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Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 9:56am
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I hoped someone would list the C.F.C.
It falls in the favorite single day trips of all time for me instead of local favorites.
Entrance Exam blind?
![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif") Nice! wish I hadn't looked at it my first time down!a few more rarely run Epics....
GC of the Elwah
Super Slides on Cispus
Canyon Creek (Klickitat drainage)
Stebbins Creek
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Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 9:58am
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I have done Super Slides, so it isn't a true class V. Class III moves with class V consiquences. Can you say cheese grater? Oh and take a demo boat, not mine, use SRK's ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif") ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: jblum
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 1:20pm
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Thought I should throw in a few from afar... Best falls: Behemouth on UUCispus (the best, biggest boof around), Wishbone on LWS (beautiful drop into such a perfect pool), Husum Falls (how many waterfalls have you run more than 100 times?) Best rapid: Righty Tighty (the series below Behemouth with perfect boofs, a big wall slide and great view from the bottom), Gettin' Busy on LWS, Zig-Zags on Truss (perfect canyon with huge holes and big moves, 3feet+) Best portage: Big Brother above 3.25 feet Thanks to CRG for repin the Gorge while I'm out in Peru/ Chile... Peace RS. Sorry to hear about your rotator James, maybe a trip to Costa in March would do you well? ------------- JHB |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 1:24pm
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Hey Jonathan! Are there still spots open for your Costa trips?
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: huckin harms
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2007 at 8:23pm
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Crack on TT ------------- |
Posted By: hardboof
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2007 at 2:33pm
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Entrance exam on the clear fork cowlitz is a great one because you need to boof hard in several places. Alpine falls is also a great one because its hard on the nerves and the slide is fun. Other than those two - airing it out on spirit falls is a amazing washington past time for me- its soft and beautiful. I dont know how to post pics or I would post some examples. |
Posted By: RemAcct3
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2007 at 3:05pm
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Posted By: Kiwi
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2007 at 8:07pm
| whats the super slides like? is it worth it? It looks interesting. |