I need a new creeker
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Topic: I need a new creeker
Posted By: Otter Boy
Subject: I need a new creeker
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 9:16pm
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My beloved CFS has developed another crack, and it think it's time for a new boat. I need some suggestions. I'm a class IV boater and am looking for a single boat which can run technical creeks (Foss, Rapid, Top Tye at low water) as well as bigger water (Lochsa). Playboating/surfing is not important. Any recommendations?
- OB
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Posted By: dragorossinw
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 9:50pm
Posted By: jondufay
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 9:53pm
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i am in the same (leaky) boat as you. burn looks nice and paddles nice, but sounds like there is a collection of broken ones that is growing rapidly. nomad is good...but i can attest first hands to the durability of those...shit. jefe is still a good lookin boat, but again...one year and the hull is toast. any heads out there paddling a habitat? mystic? critical mass? shit, maybe i should just find an old Y or a blunt. those things seem to last forever....
i want to hear what other creekers are saying right now about thier boats... ------------- ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating... |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 10:14pm
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Y's and Blunts are still around because they use crosslinked plastic... same as Jackson! Rocker? new Hero? outfitting is the shit. ask Kyle K about his recent pin and how the boat held up. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 10:28pm
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Originally posted by water wacko
Y's and Blunts are still around because they use crosslinked plastic... same as Jackson! Rocker? new Hero? outfitting is the shit. Jeeze, never saw that one coming...lemme know how that there jackson plastic is holding up after a few more runs down that there canyon creek of the stilliguamish in the low five foot range...? ------------- suck it |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 10:48pm
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I'm rapidly becoming a fan of BlissSticks.... Try the Mystic.
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2007 at 11:01pm
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Bryon, The Mystic is growing a following, I love the thing, and the durability is great.
You saw the dameage to my demo, it looks good as new now. I cant find anything bad about the outfitting.
Hit me up when you are heading out, I'll get it to you for a run or two. I dont have any in country for sale rigth now but the container is arriving in early January, it will also have the new Mini Mystics in it. Same boat but 64 gallons if you are looking smaller.
Later ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: justin
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 6:39am
| The Y is a damn good boat if you have small legs. It handles like a pro and gets the job done, and the plastic is damn strong. The mystic is also a good choice if you ask me, it takes a trip or two to get used to, but is a pretty awesome boat. From what I've seen the burn handles like racecar, but the plastic is a little soft and there is no padding under the seat. People like the rocker but I like having a little bit of chine. Good luck finding what you want. |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:39am
You could always go play cowboys and Indians with a heat gun over at James house and fix that thing!![]("smileys/smiley4.gif") http://professorpaddle.com/media/videoview.asp?File_Id=2252 ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:11am
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Anyone want to buy my Jefe?
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:33am
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Leif... if you give it to me in a few weeks when I am back in the swing of things I could give it a NW Creeking Verification to certify that it is been tested on our local creeks. You never know it could add a little value to the sales process and I would only need it for around 4-5 months in the spring and summer to perform the certification process. Just an offer. ~J ------------- |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:46am
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I can assure you I have thoroughly tested it on local creeks. I remember to the last boat you "tested" for "4-5 months"...
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:56am
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Don't act like I'm rob ... there is at least a fair chance you will get it back in one piece or at least repairable with me. Plus I was offering that service free, it was not like I was going to charge you for it or make you give me additional gear or peanuttle... J ------------- |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:13am
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You are always welcome to peanuttle...
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Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:15am
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Man, that sounds so strange.
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: justin
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:23am
| lief, why do you wanna get rid of your jefe? |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:26am
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I have a Habitat 80 now, which I find to be far more comfortable, plus the added bonus that it likes to go where I ask it to.
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Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:39am
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It's interesting to me that you say that, I hated the Jefe that day I was in it on the Lewis.
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Yotes
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:48am
| That's cause you're used to planing hulled boats. A displacement hull definately paddles differently, but has some real advantages in low volume, steeper runs. |
Posted By: STLboater
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 12:31pm
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the UPS pool owns 2 mystics that you could try out. However, our last pool session of the semester is tonight. we will be going again late january. something of interest is that we will probably be selling off all our bliss sticks at the end of the year for a sweet price.
------------- Kayak Academy Whitewater Instructor |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 12:31pm
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Originally posted by leifkirchoff
Does that mean that you are going to start creeking?I have a Habitat 80 now, which I find to be far more comfortable, plus the added bonus that it likes to go where I ask it to. ------------- suck it |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 12:37pm
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Originally posted by hugo Originally posted by leifkirchoff I have a Habitat 80 now, which I find to be far more comfortable, plus the added bonus that it likes to go where I ask it to. Does that mean that you are going to start creeking? What's that supposed to mean? Does the fact that I stay off continuous class V mean I am not creeking? ------------- |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 12:55pm
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Oh no.... the hugo strikes again!!! What do you get when you mix together Class V, a Jackson Kayak and Hugo? (Hint=The answer is a two word anagram) ------------- |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 1:02pm
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Originally posted by Yotes That's cause you're used to planing hulled boats. A displacement hull definately paddles differently, but has some real advantages in low volume, steeper runs. I love the Jackson Rocker..... Thats more of a d. hull than anything. ------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 1:19pm
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Originally posted by leifkirchoff
I have a Habitat 80 now, which I find to be far more comfortable, plus the added bonus that it likes to go where I ask it to. Originally posted by hugo Does that mean that you are going to start creeking? That made me laugh.
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Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 1:30pm
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Laugh it up...
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 2:09pm
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A broken Hugego! ------------- |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 2:25pm
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so lost...
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:40pm
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Originally posted by STLboater
the UPS pool owns 2 mystics that you could try out. However, our last pool session of the semester is tonight. we will be going again late january. something of interest is that we will probably be selling off all our bliss sticks at the end of the year for a sweet price. Esqueeze me?
Guess angle boy is at it again? ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:45pm
Maybe it's time you step up to an IK! ![]("smileys/smiley20.gif")
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 5:11pm
Hugo is funny![]("smileys/smiley36.gif")
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Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 5:21pm
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I am glad that people are starting to catch on. For a while, I was beginning to think that you all would not know something to be humerous, even if it was part of your arm.
if you don't get that... click here...loosers.
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Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 6:28pm
With a name like hugo and the frequency of bashing you've been up to, I have to ask what you're compensating for? Maybe you should rename yourself, justalko' ![]("smileys/smiley8.gif") ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 7:18pm
I like Hugo![]("smileys/smiley35.gif")
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Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:09pm
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Who is this Hugo, again?
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Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:31pm
People, people, let's focus on how we can help Otterboy, OK? ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif")
We have some good nominations, but what is the consensus of the horde on the following:
- OB |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:52pm
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Otterboy should get a playboat before Otterboy gets another creek boat... Seriously, though, every comment I could make about flat vs. round hulls is sure to create too much controversy. Paddle some demos is the best advice I can give. ------------- |
Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:10pm
| Since when have you been afraid of controversy? Spill it! |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:29pm
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Bryon,
Flat or planing hulls track and carve better, think a ski. Displacement hulls turn land and boof better.
Typically creek boats are displacement hulls, the main difference between your CFS and modern designs is chined edges. Instead of having a smooth constant radius up the sides, they are creating chines or rails at the water line, This acts as an edge and allows the boat to actually track.
Rocker, kick and length are personal taste, a short low volume true displacement boat (Huka)with a large fast rocker boofs on auto, but does no like to go straight, a pain in big water. Get it on a tight technical creek and your in heaven. Jefes are in the same catagory. The Burns are a flash in the pan design, I think anyway. That and they break allot.
Something else to consider is warranty. Everyone is talking about their boats breaking in a year, What does the maker say about that?
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Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:14pm
| Rock on, that's what I need to know. Thanks. |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 12:59am
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Good one, Tobin. Planing hulls are better for big water. Displacement for steep, low volume. Crosslinked plastic (Jackson, Eskimo, Prijon, Necky) is stronger plastic, but harder/impossible to weld. Why not just get another CFS? ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 7:51am
| The CFS is out of production, replaced with the Nomad. It's a good opportunity to upgrade. Anyone have beta on the Nomad? |
Posted By: Ryan
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 8:10am
| I think dufay paddled a nomad for a while... |
Posted By: CRG Productions
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 8:20am
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The Nomad is a great boat. I went from a CFS to that and loved it. It took a few trips to get used to it, it tracks better and is faster than the CFS, but once you get the hang of it you won't want a CFS again. I weigh 160lbs and go back and forth between the 8.1 and 8.5. both are well balanced and very stable. I think the 8.5 could use just a bit more rocker on the bottom, but when it's full of overnight gear it charges staight threw almost anything! ------------- www.gorgehits.com |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 9:03am
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I'll second CRG's comments. I went CFS to Nomad about 3 or 4 years ago, and still love The Nomad. Just bought another one this last spring. The Nomad addressed all the short-comings of The CFS. I held onto my CFS for a while, thinking I'd still paddle it on occasion...not the case. Big water is the only time I wish for some behavioral changes (little more edge would be nice at times). It still does great in the bigger stuff. Really excells in med/low-volume. Don't worry about durability. The Nomad is on par, or above average with modern creeker durability. Dagger has also been pretty good with warranty issues, which I cannot say about other mfgers. She's been a proven workhorse for me other the years.The only other design I really liked after demoing a lot this summer, was The Burn. Really fun design. It goes everywhere you tell it to. I found a good deal on my latest Nomad, otherwise I might have purchased a Burn. The Everest just might be my next boat. If I had my druthers, I'd have an Everest, and a Nomad. If you loved The CFS, you have to try The Nomad. Hope this was somewhat helpful.
~Erik
p.s. No affiliation with any mfger, and certainly not a pro. Just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
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Posted By: jondufay
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 9:08am
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I like the nomad. pro's: tis quick, boofs well (i really think that all modern creek boats boof well, how well is up to the boater), easy to roll, breaks through holes well, comfy, all and all, a nice sexy boat.
cons: I have two broken ones at home. it is a bitch to get my breakdown behind the seat and it is heavy (which i would not care about, but seeing as they broken, they might as well be light). I have heard that they fixed those concerns for 2k7...may or may not find out that one first hand.
for what it is worth, I think that all modern creekboats are just fine. any decent paddler can hop in one and have it figured out in a few runs...my biggest concern is durability. when the boat reps say that getting 50 good creek runs is about average for a creekboat before it starts to fall apart, that sucks the fat one. break that down...$20 a run (or one year if you boat it every weekend) they can suck it...!
Anybody have durability feedback that they would like to share with the class? ------------- ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating... |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 11:49am
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Man Doofer...that 20 bucks a run is awful perspective. Now I'm pissed. I'd say I boat around 50 days/year, and I've been going through one boat per season. So it seems those stats are somewhat accurate. However, I rarely pay full retail, and I've been lucky with warranty claims (couple hulls popped prior to the one-year mark), essentially getting me two years of boating for the price of one purchase.There is something to be said for buying a new boat through a local dealer...warranty love.
I can't think of any mfger out there who isn't breaking at a similar rate.
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 12:04pm
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Your right... at $700 for the boat with 50 runs which seems about right to me also for the Jefe, maybe even a few less... Thats only $14.00 a trip ... Freakin steal if you ask me, I remember the days when we used to carve our boats out of wood and they sunk halfway down each trip, on the multiday class 5's everyone who lived through day 1 would have to start widdlin super early ... y'know what I mean Kylek! ------------- |
Posted By: slickhorn
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 12:05pm
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Clearly you need an IK. I mean, all this "boof" and "roll" talk is sooooo 2005 brah. What you really are looking for is "swim" and "self-resuce" My first stiletto I bought used from a class V exploratory boater in Spokane. It was 7 years old. I've since put 300+ days on it, and at least 3 different 18" or longer tears. It's still going strong. And cost a lot less than a new creeker! Ready to switch yet? ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 2:00pm
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I ain't pluggin, but! (come on that was funny )
I have heard complaints from allot of people that Bliss-Stick boats are heavy, and I looked and their correct. My advice stop carring your boat.
![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif") Oh wait I am the one usually doing that. Anyway They average a few pounds heavier than WS, Pyrhana, LL, Dagger, and so on. BS molds their own boats in house, a rarity in modern production. It's not a mass production outsourced contract that most makers use today. Its a grass roots, make a good boat kinda deal. The QC is pretty amazing.
Mostly, if you have a BS kayak and have any kind of problem with it, thats why I am here. BS has always had the motto, shipped to your door in 5 days or less, my mantra is get customer service resolution in 5 days or less.
OK butt plug undone
![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif") ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: cronar
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 2:37pm
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A big part of the durability issue is the amount of plastic. Most mfgrs have gone with less plastic, because we paddlers complained about weight. Never understood this complaint, as it doesn't matter on the water. And frankly some of you weaklings would have difficulty picking up your shadow if it wasn't attached. For what it's worth, I haven't found an issue with chines on the low and medium volume runs. But I'm also not trying to paddle the boat sideways on purpose either. I have a Burn and love it, but Pyranha is less than stellar about supporting their warranty from what I've heard. Get out and demo and come up with your own conclusion |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 2:49pm
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Man, I wish you could request a "heavy" lay up on a creeker. I'll happily lug around an extra 5 lbs of material for my hull...and it's freakin' shadow (tuff-guy-jerky).
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 2:57pm
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I don't have a shadow, it left me a long time ago, somewhere in the twilight zone.
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Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:18pm
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Originally posted by Erik
Man, I wish you could request a "heavy" lay up on a creeker. I'll happily lug around an extra 5 lbs of material for my hull...and it's freakin' shadow (tuff-guy-jerky). yeah? what color? $850 and $85 if i gotta ship it to you. If you order now, it will come on the next container, otherwise its April.
Oh check out the new high vis red, you'll never loose a boat again.
------------- Sure? |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:20pm
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...Because Tobin knows that coffee is for closers...
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Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:36pm
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I looked around BS interweb site, and I don't see anything about a heavy lay up option. Did I miss something? Is that a policy of theirs? I'd like to know that it's possible.
BS doesn't really offer anything geared towards the big boys. I like big boats...80 - 85 gallon range. 8 1/2 feet or so. Mystic isn't really a big boys boat.
I don't need a boat anyways...at least not yet. We need to stay focused on Otterboy.
Then...I realized that one went right over my head. Holy spacing out at work. I need to stay off the internets. |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:40pm
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Could not find anything either....any word on the habitat durability? ------------- suck it |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:45pm
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I haven't had any problem with my Habitat 80. The plastic feels harder than the Jacksons, Burn, Jefe, etc. Don't know if that will ultimately be a good or bad thing. ...Oh, wait. Apparently I never run creeks. I guess I wouldn't know. ------------- |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 4:52pm
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Originally posted by leifkirchoff
...Oh, wait. Apparently I never run creeks. I guess I wouldn't know. sweet dude, thanks, just let us know when you do... ------------- suck it |
Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 5:00pm
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Originally posted by Erik
I looked around BS interweb site, and I don't see anything about a heavy lay up option. Did I miss something? Is that a policy of theirs? I'd like to know that it's possible. BS doesn't really offer anything geared towards the big boys. I like big boats...80 - 85 gallon range. 8 1/2 feet or so. Mystic isn't really a big boys boat.
I don't need a boat anyways...at least not yet. We need to stay focused on Otterboy. Thanks, Erik. I'm glad at least someone remembers it's all about me.
- OB
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Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 5:10pm
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I am sorry Otterboy.
I really like your hat. ------------- suck it |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 5:15pm
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Will do. What is this about King Chili in your signature? Relations with inanimate objects is a significant mental disorder, known as paraphilia, and often linked to a Borderline Personality Disorder, as defined by the DSM IV. I have done a bit of research, and evidently this particular disorder tends to relate to childhood sexual abuse, and thus the finding of stability in inanimate objects. There are of course, other reasons, though, left untreated, suicide is often a result, and we wouldn't want that. What was this thread about, again? ------------- |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 6:34pm
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And it was good... ------------- suck it |
Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 6:40pm
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That's not what I heard.
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Posted By: justin
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 6:48pm
| So O.B. has this thread been any help or just another display of how off topic a thread can get on this site? |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 7:35pm
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uh...sick burn brah! ------------- suck it |
Posted By: Otter Boy
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 8:02am
| Yeah, this has helped a lot. I'll start with a Nomad, then demo a Burn and Mystic. |
Posted By: huckin harms
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 8:10am
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ditto the Burn- good crossover from playboating hulls. even if it broke (God forbid) I'd replace it just the same. at the moment - unrivaled hull design. the outfitting sucks, but small penance if willing to modify some. also, customer service is lame. but oh well .... ------------- |
Posted By: PaulGamache
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 10:11am
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Hey OB,
We paddled the Green Gorge a last Tuesday together w/ Rob, Darin, and Ben. How's it goin?
In terms of looking for a new creeker you should definetly check out the Habitat 80. I had a CFS right before getting an 80 and it felt like a glove on me. The first time I paddled it I felt super solid and the boat responded to me really well. I felt so confident that within 20 minutes of paddling the boat for the first time I was firing of the drop pictured below. ("Stupid Falls",Upper East, CO) ![]("http://bp1.blogger.com/_TObBDJ2515M/Rl4TChennTI/AAAAAAAAAB4/dn9weB2IwbQ/s1600/IMG_0070.JPG") For those who care I am on the west coast regional team for WS. Regardless this is still the best creeker I've ever been in, it just fits me really well. Everyone is shaped differently so go try out boats before you buy one. You're welcome to borrow my 80 anytime if you want to demo it.
Paul
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Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 1:03pm
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Originally posted by Erik
I looked around BS interweb site, and I don't see anything about a heavy lay up option. Did I miss something? Is that a policy of theirs? I'd like to know that it's possible. BS doesn't really offer anything geared towards the big boys. I like big boats...80 - 85 gallon range. 8 1/2 feet or so. Mystic isn't really a big boys boat.
Didn't you see see Lord of the Rings, NZ is a land of hobbits. Of course we dont make big boy boats. Freakin tall guys bitchin again cuz thay cant fit.
Its not the boats fault, its yours, if your mother had fed you coffe at age 6 and hobbled your feet, you would be just fine. Have you thought of pole vault, or reaching high things as a sport. You'd be well suited for it.
Oh and if you want more plastic, buy me a half rack and place an order, custom graphics too.
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 1:45pm
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After reading all of this I am convinced there is a new business opportunity here. So starting today I am going to offer a new service I am calling the "Hull Protection Program" If you have a boat that needs some extra plastic added to the hull, give me a call and I can layer it on for you. I am going to base the pricing off of units of plastic used during the process. Much like Bliss Stick I am going to offer different colors, designs and even plastic attitude so you can make your boat as nice or mean as you desire! The rates and packages should look something like this: Full Hull Protection - $29.99 - Includes 1 full tribe with chief and an equal sized posse in pursuit - Character Quality is promised. Hull TeePee - $12.99 - Includes 1 squaw and brave with possible livestock included. Character Quality is promised. Hull Abuse- $1.99 - Includes 1 brave and 1 cowboy with additional support. Character quality is usually poor and is not promised. Some say plastic is plastic ... but you might not want these little nasties in your hull. Example of Hull Abuse Package (Colors are optional, but because the plastic is cheap the quality of these guys is pretty bad. I would not trust them at all if it were me): ![]("http://professorpaddle.com/uploads/bin/2/useruploads/29/2264.jpg") ------------- |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 2:37pm
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Whats the blue guy doing? and with a gun to his head, is this a Pulp Fiction scene? ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 3:24pm
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Newtobin...quit freakin' harassing me.
Not sure what a hobbit is? Is that from Dungeons & Dragons?
Can you get me a Nomad or Everest with a extra plastic? I'll buy you a half-rack then, k?
Tall = long arms = good for smacking newtobin across back of head.
Now go pick on someone else. I have work to do. I'm serious...leave me alone.
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Posted By: RemAcct2
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 3:27pm
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Tobin may be short, but I'd put money on him against anyone else on this thread...feisty little bugger, he is. ------------- |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 3:39pm
Against me? Come on. You saw that blood gushing out of his lip when I smacked him... ![]("smileys/smiley22.gif") ------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Yotes
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 3:50pm
| Weapons don't count, ash. Even if they're really tiny weapons. |
Posted By: ashleygoesdisco
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 3:53pm
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You just ruined it. And my ring is anything but tiny.
------------- Ashley Duffus Well behaved women rarely make history. www.naiyadays.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Tobin
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 4:09pm
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Originally posted by Erik
Newtobin...quit freakin' harassing me. Not sure what a hobbit is? Is that from Dungeons & Dragons?
Can you get me a Nomad or Everest with a extra plastic? I'll buy you a half-rack then, k?
Tall = long arms = good for smacking newtobin across back of head.
Now go pick on someone else. I have work to do. I'm serious...leave me alone.
Kinda sensitive, I appologize for any hard feeling / misconceptions and, or ill will I have caused to you, your family...... ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley42.gif") ------------- Sure? |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 7:51pm
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Um, this post is out of control!!!!! I like big font by the way!!
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