Limited air in a hole.
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Topic: Limited air in a hole.
Posted By: bribri76
Subject: Limited air in a hole.
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 10:51am
| I haven't had the opportunity to get sucked into a hole, and have it not let me up. Sounds like you should try swimming down, and away from the center in attempt to get away from its center of strength. If you pull your skirt when you feel you don't have much air left, is there something that would prevent you from sticking your head back up in your kayak and grabbing a fresh breath of air? After messing around in the pool I decided your float bags, even if you let the air out to get them out of the boat would probably be too buoyant for a portable breathing device and be able to dive down. They would shoot you straight to the surface. I'm curious about grabbing a breath out of the boat. Any thoughts, ideas? |
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Posted By: Ellingferd
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 12:48pm
| if you have ever been truly sucked in a hole you would realize the futility of something like a "breathing device". you are lucky if you can determine up from left, right, down, up, sideways, paddle hitting you in the face, boat bashing into you, etc. etc. there is no way you would be able to breathe from your boat. no way. once you pull, it is full of water. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 12:52pm
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Best way to get out of a hole is to swim to the sides and/or swim upstream into the faster water. Other than that, focusing on something like a breathing device will just be a distraction from the task at hand.
Trying to swim like that is so tiring that going through all that trouble to breathe out of your boat would tire you out so much and do more harm than good. ------------- |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 9:13pm
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Pearl divers can hold their breath for 5 minutes!
------------- Nomad |
Posted By: Kristian
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 9:35pm
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who ever bribribar whater the fuck is, you should stay away from anything above class 2... PLEASE!!!! ------------- Life isn't worth living if you don't go big. |
Posted By: Carter_M
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 9:39pm
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Is this a 'civilized' paddling community or ... Do we have another 'Hugo' in our midst? |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 9:47pm
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A friend of mine had a swim like what you're talking about. He said he was able to pull his head up into the boat and could see, but his body was so pumped it wouldn't let him take a breath. There's some video on oregonkayking.net. Look for the Kenobi Gorge. His name's EJ. Nasty backed up hole. ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: kebm1979
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 11:10pm
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Woah Kristian, ya gonna give a bad rad to that name. That is a nice vid of EJ getting worked. http://www.oregonkayaking.net/creeks/kenobi/kenobi.html That guy is a champ, seen him getting worked a couple times and always comes back wanting to do it again. Where I'd be like screw that, guess that's why he styles class V, and I'm left wondering what to do with my creekboat & my love/hate relationship with it. But moral of the story is nope you ain't breathing out of your flooded boat. ------------- Everyday has at least one happy hour |
Posted By: Weide
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 1:11am
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Sick vid.
Don't try to breath from your boat.
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Posted By: dragorossinw
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 12:41pm
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DragoRossi offers a breathing tube that utilizes the air in the sealed rear hatch. It is designed to give a couple extra minutes when pinned, for your buddys to try and get to you. The tube runs under your seat to the grab loop area for easier access in an emergency. I used it upside down as I flaoted a rapid to test it out. I'd much rather not have to suck on the glue fumed air, but it works in apinch. Just a thought
------------- Tony Z dragorossinorthwest@yahoo.com www.nookiekayaking.us www.dragorossi.com www.donkeyfIip.com |
Posted By: bribri76
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 1:42pm
| Drago - I didn't see it from that hyperlink, but how is this different from unscrewing the 18" tube on your float bag while it's still in the boat and sucking a breath from that if you pumped it up. Even if you didn't, old-school CPR relied only on 2nd hand air. |
Posted By: bribri76
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 1:50pm
| Before I get jumped all over for that one, - does that allow you to not pull your spray skirt? |
Posted By: dragorossinw
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 3:41pm
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Should have been on the seat photo at the top of the page link. It uses a one way valve, no unscrewing. You can such air out of the tube, but not blow it back in, keeping water out. You have to pull the skirt unless you can wind it through your paddle gear, I have not found that way. ------------- Tony Z dragorossinorthwest@yahoo.com www.nookiekayaking.us www.dragorossi.com www.donkeyfIip.com |
Posted By: bribri76
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 4:08pm
Gotcha. Winding it thru sounds very dangerous in the way of an exit. Thanx. All these responses are fantastic! Understanding the disorienting and thrashing nature of a getting sucked into a hole helps me, as did all the responses. To be able to pull from the wisdom and insights of you guys tempered by years of experience is great! I really appreciate the contributions! ![]("smileys/smiley1.gif")
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Posted By: Ryan
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2008 at 11:45pm
| I recommend throwing yourself in a hole that you know won't be a keeper but will give you some experience getting a beat down. I'm never a huge fan but try to drop into a semi-meaty hole ever once in a while for some practice. |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2008 at 5:40am
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Lunch Hole @ 3500 ------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2008 at 5:45pm
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Well, as ussual I came in late on this discussion. Yeah, breathing devices and similar inovations remain (at least for the time being) impracticle at best. Better to do the following: 1) Be in shape. Good cardiovascular is the key to holding one's breath for longer durations. Anymore I'm often surprised at how much air I have in my lungs when upside down. If you can go to a hot spring with a cold plunge nearby, it's a good place to give your capilaries a work out, by alternating soaks-hot, cold hot, cold, ect. Once you've done this a few times, go into the cold pool and see how long you can hold your breath. It's a great exercise, though not recommended for those with heart conditions. 2) just paddle lots of whitewater. Playboat, creekboat, whatever-just get into holes that won't kill you. Sooner or later you WILL get trashed in one, but as long as you don't over shoot your skill level (by boating grades of WW inappropriate for your skill level,) you should be fine. Like Ryan said. 3) walk out onto the rock at Rodeo hole with all your gear on, and jump in above the hole. Great way to feel what swimming in a hole is like: by actually doing it. It's as safe a place as any to mess around. Swimming class III whitewater intentionally is good for you. Just pick rapids with deep, clean water that won't bang you up, and has a natural recovery pool below it. It's great to have your friends join you, too. If you're concerned about safety, have someone hang out in a boat or with a throw bag. Remember that lots of rescue situations require the rescuer to employ swimming as a swiftwater technique. ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2008 at 7:42pm
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Talk about beating a dead horse!
------------- Nomad |
Posted By: 14kayaking2
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 9:50am
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Dave.... Some people like beating dead horses. I think it is a kinder thing than beating living ones. Though kinda smelly. Seriously, Draggo has exactly what I think you should do in my mind. Nothing beats experience. EVER. So there is my two cents and horse whipping. Anyone else wanna beat the dead horse? ------------- "We are only boaters between swims" Matty |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 10:07am
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I have eaten horse before... its not as bad as you might think...
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Posted By: dblanchard
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 10:27am
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Good thread, I just found it this morning. I love the naming theme: Kessel Run, Beggar's Canyon and Sarlacc; I'm adding this run to my list for when I can paddle at that level. The video an photos are amazing. Thanks for the great write up, guys. D |
Posted By: dblanchard
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 1:05pm
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Horse is really good. I'm bummed that it isn't more available in the US. D |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 2:57pm
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Oh MY G%#! I thought this post died along time ago!!! It's like rotten eggs in the fridge, not sure if you should touch them or just leave them alone......... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: 14kayaking2
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2008 at 7:31pm
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It just depends on how bloated it is whenever you pick it up. Too bloated and it might have some odd bacteria you don't want. I haven't eaten horse... had rattlesnake...and pretty sure cat a couple times at some chinese restaurants....
------------- "We are only boaters between swims" Matty |