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DaveH
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Topic: Parking Pass required as of July 1 Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 11:31am |
Heads up - as of tomorrow (1 July) The Man is requiring cars to display the new Discovery Pass in order to park legally at many of the local access points (i.e., Kanasket Palmer)
http://discoverpass.wa.gov/
Info from the site...
The Discovery Pass is good for parking at all State Parks,
Department of Natural Resources and Fish and Wildlife locations.
A one day pass costs $10.00 plus a $1.50 dealer fee and a
one year pass is $30 plus a $5 dealer fee.
You can purchase a pass online and are able to print a temp pass until the
real one arrives in the mail. The Discovery Pass is also sold at all locations where
fishing licenses are sold (i.e., Fred Meyer).
The fine is $99 for not displaying the pass.
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mokelumnekid
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 12:43pm |
Yeah- I got mine but grrrr...what pisses me off is that you have to put the license number- ONE ONLY- on the pass. It seems to me that the pass is issued to ME not some vehicle. Si if I take the wife's car one day, we have to buy another pass for that! Even the old Fish and Game parking passes allowed for more than one license number.
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Scott_H
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 1:56pm |
Thanks for the link and reminder. At least it covers both the DNR and State Park one - I seem to recall the last time there was a state park fee we had to pay for a separate State Park one. That blows about the 1 car only rule.
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up4air
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 4:45pm |
Isn't there an alternate put in for Kanasket that isn't a park (and isn't headworks)?
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chipmaney
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 6:11pm |
yes, the bridge upstream of the park, but parking is pretty limited....
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dave
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 7:59pm |
Maybe use erasable ink on the pass then change the number when needed?
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dave
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 8:04pm |
Also, I just bought a new fish and wildlife pass back in March...bummer...should have waited...
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WA-Boater
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 9:57pm |
On my Dept Fish Wildlife pass I put a 2" strip of clear tape on it when I loan it out. You can easily peal off the tape (and old license #) and use it multiple times for multiple vehicles.
Might be able to do the same with this one.
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Travisimo
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 7:28am |
I know somebody that did that once with temporary car tabs....
It's a criminal offense then, pretty sure it would be as well with these passes, just an FYI...
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doggievacation
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 10:43am |
Flaming Geyser is also a state park, so the answer is, yes, you do need a Discover Pass to use the lower take out. About the only way to run the Green without a Pass is to put in at the bridge above K-P and take out at Paradise. What I want to know is, can I turn in my Fish and Wildlife Pass and get an $11 dollar credit toward buying the Discover Pass?
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James
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 10:55am |
Before everyone gets all crazy, I have some good information.
First I called Fish and Game and was given the following web link. I was pissed because the old WDFW parking permit that was given with Fishing license used to be honored at all state parks with fishing access so long as a separate fee was not posted. Going forward they said they are looking at three options.
1. Increasing fishing license fees an additional $30.00 to include the Discovery Pass. 2. Decrease fishing license fees a few dollars to offset the number of locations no longer honoring the WDFW parking pass. Since WDFW still has certain places that are non state park fishing access locations (IE Rodeo Hole) they still will charge a separate amount for the parking at these locations included in fishing permits. 3. Remove the Parking Permit portion of Fishing licenses altogether and require users to purchase a Discovery Pass separately. Regardless of those options the good news is that you don't have to worry until March 2012 about this stuff because all Current WDFW parking permits are being honored until next year when they make the change. SEE LINK HERE : http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/discoverpass/
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:14am |
Oh and you are all going to love this!!!!
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Passed%20Legislature/5622-S2.PL.pdf
6 NEW SECTION. Sec. 3. (1) A discover pass is required for any 7 motor vehicle to park or operate on any recreation site or lands,
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PowWrangler
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:46am |
Am I missing something here? We're talking about $30 a year to park at all trailhead parking lots and state parks. Sounds reasonable to me. Especially if the other option is closing access.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:50am |
Whoa there B you opened up a political debate in a simple parking pass conversation. Who is talking about taxes? This ain't no tax. Neither is the 520 Toll, that's a use fee.
Heck I think we should have to pay just to be on the river, after all the state spends alot of money keeping the water clean. What about air too, why are we not paying for that. I mean you gotta pay to fish, hunt, drive and park, why not breath, and what about walking on a sidewalk. Why the heck don't we have a pedestrian fee? Who pays for those sidewalks? Why not the people using them. And while I am on a roll Crosswalks, Hello we need coin operated crosswalks. Would that not be sweet! And then if you get caught Jwalking you have your normal ticket plus the requirement to pay for the cross walking toll.
Accountability for the government? Shure, if that's what you want to call it - I think the government is also efficient and effective. Well at least in deteriorating the effective nature of our constitution. Wait does our nation actually have one anymore or would that be now considered Articles of Incorporation?
Hows that for takin your bait, you dog gone freemont Troll. Toll that bridge too by the way.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:55am |
James, you and Brian are the opposite sides of the same coin...
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Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 12:22pm |
POW, as long as that coin is legal US tender I will gladly share it with my main man B!!!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 12:24am |
Thanks for all the info guys! Especially good to know for my arrival back home
I know it sucks to have to pay for these things, but it really isn't about taxes or bridge tolls... The government (both State and Federal) has cut all kinds of money/budgets that used to go to the Federal and State Parks, and they're forced to get money from those who use the parks. This money goes to pay for things like garbage bins, rubish pickups, toilet paper, honeybuckets, road/misc. maintenance, and other such things, like the lone park ranger who gets paid a meaningless, pitiful amount of money to look after these places... I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or that I agree or disagree, but I do understand why it's happening.
I learned an interesting phrase in the UK while I was there that I think is pretty applicable here: At one time, there were parts of the UK where the government put a daylight tax on people's houses. The people were only allowed to have seven windows per house, or they'd get taxed for having more daylight than their neighbors. Thankfully, this law was abolished ages ago. However, there's a saying in the UK that the locals use when they feel they're getting unduely taxed/charged in some way: "That's just daylight robbery!!!"
$30 bucks or not, I'm STOKED to get back on a river when I get home!! *YAY*!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 11:09am |
So, since I have 4 licensed vehicles that I operate at any given time, I need to spend $120.00 on 4 passes? That is rediculas! Also may have to purchase one for any friends that may happen to drive that day. I might as well purchase about 20 passes just be sure...$600.00 worth...
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Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 8:01am |
This just in. I was at Flaming Geyser yesterday and they would not allow me to use my WDFW parking pass there anymore. So wether this is true or not I don't know, but the ranger told me that the Dept of F&W used to maintain fishing access points within the park and when this new bill went into effect the Dept of Fish and Wildlife removed the responsibility to manage the access points within all state parks. So the only places that WDFW parking pass works at is WDFW ONLY access points like Rodeo Hole.
I had a printed out copy of the signed bill and the WDFW statements saying that parks were covered for the remainder of this year and the ranger said you can come on in but I will give you a ticket and you can explain it to the courts and see if they agree.
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Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 8:41am |
This is bullsh*t. I actually support the idea of the Discover Pass, but poor implementation of this bill is going to exacerbate negative backlash. Feel free to write to the bill's sponsor, Rep. Kevin Ranker. ranker.kevin@leg.wa.govThe way I see it is this: if you buy a permit from a state or federal agency and the agency
decides to change the rules midstream, your permit should be valid until it
expires or you should be able to get a refund. For me, a refund on the
Fish and Wildlife permit would make this situation right again. What's happening now is complete and utter bullsh*t. John
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Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 9:22am |
Wow that ranger at FG was a jerk- instead of saying something like, "Good point, I need to look into that," he/she acts like some kind of hard ass. My guess is that this all happened so fast that no one really knows what the rules are and why I thought the deal was that it was going to be warning citations only until they got their act together. All these agencies have their a-holes and their saints, but regardless they all have distinct ways they like to do things. What a c-f indeed.
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Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 12:20pm |
So, what's the bottom line? Is it two passes we need?
Discovery pass for parks
Forest pass for federal lands
This is how I see it. Am I correct?
Jim
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Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 4:11pm |
We are all pretty much screwed...pretty soon you will have so many passes hanging from your mirror you wont be able to see out the window!
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Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 5:12pm |
I pre-paid on my "good to go" pass for permission to wipe my A.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 12:54pm |
OK, I figured out how to use the pass for multiple vehicles.
I tried all kinds of ink on the paper they use and found that the WET ERASE ink is the best...the dry erase leaves a residue that is detecable, the wet erase, when you get it wet, removes all traces of any thing on the paper.
So, get a wet erase felt pen then you can change the license # to any vehicle. You just have to remember to take the pen with you.
I hope I dont go to Jail for this discovery...
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