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  Quote mokelumnekid Replybullet Topic: Recc. on point-shoot wp camera?
    Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 10:47am
Looking for suggestions for point-shoot waterproof camera (not helmet cam). (I searched the archive and didn't see anything current- if I overlooked this topic, sorry...)

The Canon D-10 gets some good reports, but it is thick and a bit bulky it seems. I don't have a sizable pocket on my pfd...Any ideas about what has and hasn't worked for you all are welcome.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 10:54am
Pentax optio is a pretty popular pic I have one and it has lasted well to say the least.

The Sony TX5 looks nice and slim that and carl zeiss is good name in lens. But the size of the lens looks like it would not shed water well. That is my biggest issue shooting photos on the river you have to clean off the dropplets from the lens or your shots are blurry.

The olympus I have heard good and bad things about.

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  Quote JoesKayak Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 11:52am
I've had 2 Olympus waterproof cameras and they've been pretty good. The first one was a stylus 720 and it did OK but the shutter broke after a couple years... they have a trade-in program so I was able to send it in for some credit towards a new camera. I now have a 850SW... which is probably been replaced by a newer model by now.

It has been down rivers with me for about 2 or 3 years now with no problems. I just hook the strap into a d-ring in my PFD pocket and pull it out when I need. It's been a pretty tough little camera for me. Photo quality is OK.... from what I've seen it's pretty well on par with Pentax's similar offerings. In general, for a waterproof camera, you aren't going to get the same quality as you would with a top of the line non-waterproof point and shoot... so keeping that in mind, the quality has been fine. If you want really sharp, hi-quality shots, you probably need to get an SLR or a really top notch point and shoot and keep it in a peli case or padded out watershed bag.

I see that several other companies have decided to get into the game, so there's more offerings now than there were five years ago or so, when it was pretty much just Pentax and Olympus... but they're the two that have been making them the longest, so I'd give them the strongest consideration.
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  Quote JoesKayak Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 11:54am
BTW... the Olympus takes video too... the Sky flood video from last weekend and my Fall in the Wall video from a couple years back were taken on that camera.

Not great video quality, but quick and easy and waterproof.
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  Quote rokmnky Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 3:21pm
On my second Olympus, only because the first one didnt float. It's been great. I have the more durable version (2 versions when I bought mine) and it's been a great camera. I take it everywhere and it has taken the abuse that would have killed any other camera in a heartbeat. The video quality on my older model is poor but the pictures are fine for all my needs. The newer versions have better quality. I managed to break the display inside the case (so its still waterproof) and also melt the charger so I'll be in the market for a new one soon as well. Keep us posted on what you get and how you like it if you wouldnt mind.
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  Quote Wiggins Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 5:01pm
In my experience the current generation of waterproof point and shoots all pretty much suck equally. The main reason is that manufactures have boosted up the megapixel count without boosting the camera's ability to process the image. This results in more blury, grainy, discolored, and otherwise jacked up pictures. After that there is just the typical trade off between models.
 
I have used the newer Olympus models, and have the Panasonic TS1, and they all had the same problems with image quality. If you read reviews online this is the case with all the newer waterproof models. My Panasonic has better image quality than most, and the video quality is great, but it is not totally waterproof! It gets water inside and I have to dry it out after each day on the river. It actually died on me on the Grand Canyon a couple of times, but would come back to life after it dried out. The TS2 has the same problems.
 
I also have an old Olympus 720 that just won't die. It has been kicked, thrown, dunked, run over by a truck, and generally mistreated and it still works like it did out of the box. The image quality is good (not quite as good as the TS1 when it works right), but the video quality sucks.
 
I would get a older one with less megapixels. Do some research and find out when they took a turn for the worst.
 
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 6:25pm
Get a dry box, and don't worry about the waterproof camera route.  Worth getting out of the boat for good pictures.

My 2 cents.

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  Quote iron monkey Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 7:45pm
I have the pentax optiow30, it's pretty great for a waterproof point and shoot, durable rugged and stays dry.  I have taken video of rolling, with the camera submerged for an underwater view. 
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  Quote Jed Hawkes Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 7:52pm
I agree with Monk your options for cameras open up significantly when you don't have to choose from the waterproof designs. Plus you will always get better shots from shore than you will from your boat, I worked as a video boater and photographer in the SE for awhile and the industry rule was "no shooting from your boat". Something to consider.
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  Quote mokelumnekid Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 8:31pm
Thanks everyone- I should have been more clear- I'm not looking to take calendar worthy pics, just something to capture the gang while in the midst of getting wet- spontaneous, etc. from the water perspective. But having said that there are real differences in point-n-shoots out there, and I want something robust fro that application. Plus something that I can take snorkeling in the (sadly) rare once a year maybe times I get to the tropics. So this is why I haven't pursued the dry-box route. Plus given the alarming frequency with which I have (historically swam) I need sumpin' I can strap onto my body so that it doesn't float on down with my lunch and that liter of tequila and jar of mayonnaise I keep next to my float bags.
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  Quote jtemus Replybullet Posted: 20 Jan 2011 at 8:56pm
I've got an Olympus Stylus Tough 6000. What Wiggins said about the megapixels and the camera processor may be true but I seem to get great pictures out of it. Its an amazing little camera. It is waterproof, I've snorkelled with it once and taken quite a few swims with it and it seems to hold up just fine. Works good in the cold too. It has some cool functions like a really easy panorama setting (you don't even need a tripod to get near perfect panoramas).

Only things I don't like about it is that it only has 3.6x optical zoom.
I am usually against battery pack cameras because I like the option of putting in AA's when I don't have a wall outlet to charge my camera, but the lithium ion batter pack lasts quite awhile, I've taken 150ish shots plus some video on a three day winter camping trip and the battery lasted fine, and last time I looked you can get replacement batteries on ebay for $3 (so for longer trips I have a couple extra).
I have a little float that clips onto the camera so I can use it around the water without worrying about it sinking.

Great Camera, my dad, sister and friend all have similar models and they have had good luck too.
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  Quote Wiggins Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 12:06am
Another good option is to buy the point and shoot of your choice and put it in a drybag with a photo window. They run between $12-40 at REI.

The issue with the boosted megapixels is less pronounced in the Oly 6000 because it has less megapixels (but not totally gone). A lot of reviews recommend the 6000 over the 8000 for this reason. I noticed the same in the one I played with. With the 12 mp and up models it gets bad fast when conditions are less than ideal. The 6000 I used was a little more tolerant of bad conditions.

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  Quote mokelumnekid Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 8:17am
Thanks- tried the dry bag thing and wasn't real happy with that because the camera slides around in there and it is tricky getting everything lined up with view finder/screen, shutter, etc., especially since (in Winter) I wear glacier gloves instead of poggies. And the bags can fog inside.

Keep the comments coming; looks like I'll have more research to do...
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  Quote JoesKayak Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 8:26am
If you want samples for the Olympus 850SW you can look through my galleries on here... pretty much everything was shot with it.

Lighting is key with that camera. With good light, it does pretty good... lower light conditions gets much grainier, blurrier.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 8:44am
Originally posted by mokelumnekid

Thanks everyone- I should have been more clear- I'm not looking to take calendar worthy pics


 None of us really care what you want. Its all about what we want, and We all want to see calendar worthy pics!!!


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  Quote mokelumnekid Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 10:56am
Originally posted by James

Originally posted by mokelumnekid

Thanks everyone- I should have been more clear- I'm not looking to take calendar worthy pics


 None of us really care what you want. Its all about what we want, and We all want to see calendar worthy pics!!!


Okay- some chilling action shots of the heady gnar next time I'm throwing down on the infamous Yo-Yo stretch
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  Quote Monk Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 10:57am
Ha!  Well played good sir.
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  Quote Aquaholic Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 1:29pm
I have a olympus stylus 8010 and  have had no problems. I have taken this camera snorkeling going as deep as 15-20 feet and never had a drop of water get in. I paddle with it tucked in my PFD pocket and its never leaked. The only minor complaint I have is that it dosesnt stay in the "mode" you select after you turn the camera off so each time you turn it on you have to reselect the mode you were in. I wish it would just stay in sport mode all the time but its not really a big deal. It also shoots pretty good video to which has come in handy many times. (pictures just dont do justice capturing bootie beer moments)
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  Quote Aquaholic Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 1:31pm
Its actually an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010
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  Quote water wacko Replybullet Posted: 21 Jan 2011 at 2:42pm
I have a Lumix I got in spring. It's been tucked in the front of my PFD, been through the woods plenty and through some big holes. Playboating for three weeks on the Wenatchee, too. It got a few little drops in it, but I would just leave it ope the rest of the day and it was fine. I'm getting used to the settings. It takes pretty good photos and video. For the money (and how easy it is to pull out of my PFD for vids) it's a great little camera, plus it comes with a little gel-case that makes it pretty tough. Never had a problem, except for the occasional leak.
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