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  Quote matta Replybullet Topic: boofs?
    Posted: 12 Jul 2007 at 9:56am
Been Kayaking since last September, I'm comfortable, but still swim on class 4. I'm in search of the elusive boof:
 
I'm trying to get practice and boof every piss-ant (and larger) feature I can. If I do everything right, my stroke will give me good momentum, and I usually don't have to much problem getting through the hole at the bottom but, that's because of momentum and hard paddling. I don't think I have ever gotten air under my boat or shot beyond the hole (of course, I can't see myself from so I'm not entirely sure, but it sure doesn't feel like I'm getting any air).  My two boats are a Perception Phat and a Necky Chronic. I went out last week in a Wave Sport Diesel with pretty much the same results.
 
On Ned's Needle, for instance, two weekends ago in the phat, I wasn't even clear on how to boof it. The river was around 42-4400 CFS. There really wasn't any lip to boof off of, just a steep tongue to the hole. As it is, I accelerated, tried to head straight into it, got a good stroke at the start of the steep part, and kept paddling in the hole at the bottom. At one point, my nose went 45 degreees up in the air, but I got through the hole on the right side.
 
Same thing in the Diesel that weekend - good sized pour over rock with a 4-5 foot drop on the other side. Tried to plant the stroke, but didn't get enough momentum, wound up surfing and getting worked in the hole, eventually exited upside down.
 
I've read the articles and am not sure what'll get me doing this competently.
 
Any ideas?
 
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  Quote Guests Replybullet Posted: 12 Jul 2007 at 10:31am
OK, here is what I think are the steps to a good boof stroke.

First though, let it be said that each boof will be different in terms of how you want to time it. But, for the sake of explaining it, lets assume that we are talking about a straight over, sharp lip.

1) As you approach the lip, take a few strokes to gain some speed. This should be two or three nice and relazed strokes.

2) As you get even closer to the lip, place your paddle in the water right at the lip. Make sure that your paddle is fairly close to your boat.

3) Wait until you can see the bottom to make sure that you don't take the stroke to early

4) This is the important part: the Boof Stroke. Once you can see the bottom and you have your blade placed on the lip of the drop, shift your weight slightly back(don't lean back, just a small shift of weight).

Then, take a stroke forward stroke. Make sure that this stroke is vertical so that it propels you straight forward. If it is not verical it may act like a sweep stroke and turn you sideways.

As you take your forward stroke, lean forward again, and pull up with your knees. It helps to think of this part like a sit-up, I think.

5) As you land, place your next stroke so that you are ready to keep paddling out at the bottom.

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I hope that helps. As I said at the top though, every boof is really different. There are times when you want to take your stroke earlier or later, or sometimes you even want to turn sideways by making it more like a sweep stroke.

As for Neds, you can boof that too. Essentially, a boof is bringing your bow up, thus keeping it over the hole. If neds is a little more like a slide, with no defined ledge, use the same technique described above, just wait a bunch longer and take it as you approach the hole. Also, since there is no lip, its just a judgement call on where you palce your stroke.

Sorry for the super long post but hopefully it helps. It's though to explain so if you are confused by anything I said, feel free to ask for clarification.

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  Quote tradguy2 Replybullet Posted: 12 Jul 2007 at 10:33am

Matt, don't worry about having so much tons of speed/momentum as you hit the lip, while some speed is important too much can make timing your stroke very difficult.  In my experience 3 things are important. 

 
I have found the following works well for me. 
1.  As you approach the lip lean/edge slightly to the side you are taking your boof stroke. 
2. Lean forward and grab the lip with your paddle blade and continue your stoke until your but has cleared the lip. 
3.  Lift your legs as you leave the lip utilizing your abs to do so (like a  sit up as KTW said). 
 
Hope this helps. 


Edited by tradguy2 - 12 Jul 2007 at 10:36am
... preparing for a river beating!     
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 12 Jul 2007 at 11:57am
One thing that has not really been mentioned here is boat angle and pitch which is really key. One of the funnest thing about boofing is the fact that almost every boof is a little different than another because its rare to find identical features and flows etc.

So here is my thoughts on it and this is really to add to what is mentioned here because KTW and Tom covered pretty much 90% of the technique. A few more things to consider.

It is always easier to boof something you know, or have seen. If you have not seen the drop it is difficult to know where to place your line for the most aired out boof.

I will use Neds as an example since it is mentioned already. Neds is not really a slide at all. It is a 4 foot pour over that has a cross current seam at the lip. There are of course many different boof angles you can take on this ledge but like most ledges there is a special little line that will open up the most air in your boof.

To find this line you looking for a Ramped out look at the edge of the lip. Anything that creates a nice ramp to launch off of. It could be that a seam of water creates the ramp, it could be a rock that creates the ramp or wood etc... With neds the ramp is created by a seam of water. The idea is to position your boat so the current propels you off the most ramped out area while you adjust your timeing and angle to place your last Boof stroke as KTW mentioned. Much of the Boof is boat angle though. If you were to just do a straight boof off Neds you would catch air but not nearly as much as if you start right and then drive left launching off the higher left side with diagonal angle. The side of your pitch also dictates the easiest side to take your last stroke. Sometimes it can be tricky to discover the boof flakes and angles but with work you will have it.

Here are a few shots of boofs off the site.


Notice the placement of that last stroke, the highest location (ramp) of the lip, Pitch of the boat allowing the stroke on the proper side.



Not the best form but its an idea.... Probably not the best drop to boof either, but ain't no one going to be boofin off that one anytime soon!



Ramp + Angle + Pitch + Stoke + Momentum (Really only affects how far you clear the base) =  Boof

Oh yea and Of course the Monster Boof From Tretwold.


Here is a clip of Tretwold doing the Boof on thunder

And at the bottom of this trip report you can see me doing the same ledge. Another boof.

Watch those and keep the eye trained on Boat Angle, Pitch and stroke placement. Hope that helps... Oh yea and if your into easy boofin.. The cooper is the spot to practice right now.


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  Quote PowWrangler Replybullet Posted: 12 Jul 2007 at 2:47pm
You're probably not getting much air under your boat due to what you've been paddling on. 
 
Most of the "play" rivers around here don't have many real ledge drops/holes to practice on, their mainly holes with not a lot of gradient.   Best you can do in those is get speed and power through the meat or the corners.
 
You'll notice there are many more "boofable" features on steeper rivers/creeks one you work your way up.
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  Quote top pin Replybullet Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 12:06pm
I have to agree to all that was written about boof strokes. Bigger features is what will give you the air under your boat. I have found that pulling all the way to your hips on your last stroke and lifting your knees is how I get my bow up. By pulling all the way to your hiops makes you slightly transfer your weight back and lifting of your knees will pull your bow up. Just be sure to lean forward again before you land or you can be stern squirtin..
 
Heres a perfect boof rock on the South Fork of the Payette River at LIttle Falls. This one you pretty much just paddle to the lip, plant your stroke, pull and hang on for the 6' drop.
 


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  Quote matta Replybullet Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 1:12pm
Thanks everybody - Did a couple of runs on the Sauk on Saturday, demoing a Habitat. 74. The main two things that I thought I needed to change, based on everybody's comments wer that I was planting my stroke to soon and needed to pay attention to pulling my knees up.  I headed for every potentially boofable rock I could find. I think I splashed down one or twice, but it was hard to tell (still and increadibly small percentage of attempts). I did seem to be pushing through the recirculation better than I had been on a relatively regular basis, so at least that's an improvement.
 
I'd never boated in such a big boat before (Diesle 65 and Perception Phat) were the largest boats I'd paddled before. All the volume up front and behind seemed to make it that much harder to get any use out of pulling up with my legs.
 
I also now understand the phrase hole bait.
 
The quest continues .. .
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  Quote Sisu Replybullet Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 2:55pm

With regard to pitch and boat angle on the boof, watch these guys get after it.  It's not really creekin' unless you run the rock wall and bring your hand roll! 

Yule Creek/ Wall Slide Footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNLWwHzgJ1w

 

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  Quote top pin Replybullet Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 9:39pm
This is a great website to read and learn. Probably the best on the net for educational purposes if you ask me.

Read the article on boofing, you might find a tidbit or two to learn..

http://www.chrisj.winisp.net/articles/boofing.htm

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  Quote Chuck e fresh Replybullet Posted: 19 Jul 2007 at 10:39am
holy shwinkies ! That was just a wic wic wicked sick footage on the Yule !!!!!!
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  Quote Ryan Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 8:29am
I just ran across this blog post and video about boofing and remember this forum question.  It's pretty good, enjoy.

http://nocpaddlingschool.blogspot.com/2007/05/boof.html
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  Quote joshcrossman Replybullet Posted: 31 Jul 2007 at 10:49am
that yule footage was sick.   
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