nice TR dude, but you still need a new alarm clock...

Jon, any idea how low it is good?

Edited by tradguy2 - 20 Jun 2007 at 9:59pm

I can't wait to talk to them because I can not imagine fisher creek being runnable at lower flows than when we were there. I would think you would want it even higher so it would be great to hear back. I wrote to john and called also I hope to hear back soon.

It would also be nice to hear what they ran and did not run on this creek.

J

Boy...leave it to Almquist to burst your bubble 

I know there's been rumblings of Thunder Creek in the past, as just scouring topos, it seems to stand out as a good possibility.  During last week's mission, I was thinking it would be strange if it was actually a 1st D, based on how obvious and good it was.

One thing I've learned over these years of boating, is that there isn't much around that hasn't at least been attempted.  There was just less ability to permenantly log these missions (i.e. the "internets" for one).  I don't ever claim 1st's for that reason.  I think a good idea is to spraypaint your name on the canyon wall so people know someone's been through there.  Like a neon orange color or something.

Then there's all that stuff that runs into Lake Chelan

~L8rZ

p.s. Tom, during our mission, I was saying that I think that run would even go down to prolly 400 cfs.  I don't think we were anywhere near the low end when we were on there.  600 cfs would maybe be ideal, as all the drops we ran would still prolly go fine, and a few we portaged due to high-water, might be possible (Big Daddy for one).  Big Daddy doesn't look as ominous in the pics (big drops never do), but that thing had major beat-down written all over it.  If I go in there again, I'd like to see something between 500 & 700 in hopes of at least running Big Poppa.

Let me know if you're headed up to do some chelan recon, I'd like to get up to that area sometime.

Damn you Jon, by bubble is most definitely burst.  For those of you who don't know, Jon and I now work together and in a 2 minute conversation he just shot down every idea I had. 

I've scouted said local creek Jon.  Lots of mank & wood lurking around, but I did see a couple nice drops.  One really sweet double drop at the end of the canyon.

It seems like it really wants to be a creek someday.

I'll give another hint...it rhymes with "yokul".  Someone else can definitely have that one.  Seems like my boat breaks just by looking at it wrong these days.

I threw that Chelan stuff out there, 'cause I know lots of people look at that stuff and think "1st"...but I know it's mostly all been run.  I had the same ambitions myself unitl the likes of Almquist, Zderic & Robinson were already on it.  My personal opinion is that there isn't much left in WA for 1st's.  However, cross the border in Canadistan, and I think there are numerous opportunities.  I've had my eye on one in particular for a few years now, after I stumbled across it by accident.  My only hint...it's in BC, and I know it hasn't been run.

We 1st D'd Big Silver this spring, and that is destined to be a classic unless the friggin hydro people get at it (yes there's a license app on that river).  We also 1st D'd Upper Canyon Creek a few weeks ago (trib of NF Nooksack).  We definitely stepped up the mank factor for that 1st.  We dubbed it the "bloody anus" section of Upper Canyon Creek.  Do yourselves a favor, and never run that.

Personally, I don't care to much about getting a 1st D.  The alpinist in me however does love to explore.  Nothing beats a good adventure into the unknown!  I love the entire process, staring at maps, daydreaming, figuring out the logistics, the first glimpse of the pbjective, good times.  Unfortunately things are often not worth the effort (sounds like the blood anus fits into this group). 

Jon's good at letting the air out of your ballon, but in a good way that you walk away knowing a little more than before.  Not a bad idea to listen or ask around to those that have been boating awhile.  With that said I've got another river that has runnable stuff on it that hasn't been run, and it's a fun logistical challenge too and is in the local area....
-N

Erik,