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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 9:31am
I dunno I guess I was thinking of name calling or bashing someones intelligence etc.. which has I suppose happened above in small and concealed methods. I don't think POW's statement is a personal attack at all though. He can decide who he boats with and who he doesn't. I do think that the only reason he made that statement was to get in good with the BC locals though. After all who doesn't want to chase around after their goods in the summer then complain about how they rate it lol ahhhaha?

Technically this whole thread is a personal attack then. A personal attack on the BC locals that did not WIN against a multi billion dollar - government backed business with employed politicians and a whole province of profit backing the move? Think of this as trying to keep the middle east from pumping it's oil. They can't even keep us out of dat shit let alone keep their own hands out of it. Which leads me to believe that in the future we will see alot more involvement of corporations bullying governments with the assistance of other governments to get contracts and operations permitted in areas where profit can be made despite the impact on the local economy, envirionment, etc...

Ok thats enough James time to get to work. Sorry this is another one me and Leif don't jive on, but I would still grab him, give him a hug and go for his peanuttles !

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  Quote SupaSta Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 10:01am
Dude, I totally agree. Anyone can boat with whom ever thet choose, for whatever reason they deem valid. Personal choice all the way.

However, to post that you won't boat with a particular person on a public forum is nothing short of a personal attack. It's just wrong.

And, are you saying it's ok if attack each other as long as we're kissing-butt on the BC locals while we do it?

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  Quote PowWrangler Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 10:09am

Leif and I are just different....he'd agree to that.  I'd venture to say one of the only things we have in common is kayaking....which is why I've boated with him in the past, and yes, I'm sure I'll boat with him again in the future. 

But, we all have our preferences on who to boat with and I'm sure there are some who don't like boating with me...that really doesn't matter to me.  Life is too short to care about shit like that.
 
The thing is, when you say rude things on a public forum, you can expect some shit back in my book.  And overall, this place is very respectful and kind (highly unusual in the world of internet forums) which is great (hence my original apology for the negative vibes).
 
Ok, nuff the negative, here's some stoke
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  Quote RemAcct2 Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 10:17am
Again, no need to continue this.  I opened myself up to the criticism by making more of a personal attack rather than focusing on the point I tried to make.  I further diluted this point in my two responses.  I think some of the responses were out of line, but so was my third response.  I have appoligized, and I hope the folks in BC understand that we are all on the same side when it comes to preventing hydro development.
 
On another note...who knew so many folks from BC read this site?
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 10:21am
Didn't you know Leif the internet is international as I like to say 
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  Quote Otter Boy Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 11:03am

I don't have much to say about the Ashlu situation, but this is a good opportunity to review the pitfalls of online communication. I've learned most of this the hard way, repeatedly.

·         Sarcasm does not translate online.

·         Readers of your posts will interpret any negative comment to be an order of magnitude more offensive than you intended.

·         The relatively anonymous environment of a chat room means some people get very rude very quickly. Now we’re in a negative feedback loop with the first two points.

Some other random observations on the Professor Paddle community:

·         I have yet to meet an honest-to-god asshole here. I’m sure they’re out there, but by and large we’re a friendly group.

·         We’re all on the same side, tactical differences on specific issues aside. Why don’t we give each other the benefit of the doubt? At least be sure that someone said what you think they said before you flame them.

 

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  Quote erikSANDSTROM Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 9:27pm
This is awesome!
This river don't go to Aintry. You done taken a wrong turn.
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  Quote dave Replybullet Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 10:14pm
I really don't feel like reading all this post, so is there a condensed version? I do have a life you know!
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 12:01pm
Just read this off the ashlucreek.com website from ledcor. Helping the public understand this complex issue.

Does the Ashlu Green Power Project avoid a more rigorous environmental review by coming in at 49 MW, as opposed to over 50MW?

Projects over 50 megawatts (MW) are reviewed under the BC Environmental Assessment Office, rather than by the Land and Water BC office, but for all intents and purposes, the regulatory agencies and their people who do the reviews are the same people and departments, no matter what the size of the power project. The same regulatory review agencies are required to assess the project whether the project size is greater or less than 50MW (i.e. Fisheries and Oceans Canada, Canadian Coast Guard, Ministry of Environment, etc. still review the project no matter what the size of the project or which lead office is sending them the project information).

The same Department that Issues Permits for Class III weapons issues permits for stores to sell tobacco, so really tobacco stores should be allowed to sell grenades since the same people are permitting them.


The primary reason for keeping the project under 50MW is due to accounting practices. Specifically, a project under 50MW can be depreciated faster than a project that is over 50 MW. This is the case for any and all renewable energy projects located anywhere in Canada. In addition, by designing the project to 49MW, half of the flow will remain in Ashlu Creek in the diversion area so that recreational users can use the stream during the high flow summer months. The project size of 49MW has nothing to do with avoiding any type of environmental assessment since a full environmental assessment was carried out under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act.

This is rad, I feel better about this whole thing now, and I hear they are going to put in a gauge that will be public. Man this creek is gonna be awesome we will be able to tell how low it is all year, and then come up only when it is running. Roads, Gauges and Responsibility, we need to get Ledcor working in the states.

See Bryon Sarcasim does translate online.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 12:03pm
Of course if they made the project 51 megawatts then all of the recreational users would be screwed ... Phew thank goodness were only at 49!
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  Quote Moon Replybullet Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 1:34pm

While dams are not good for rivers, not burning as many hydrocarbons is a worthy concept.  No easy answers.





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  Quote tradguy2 Replybullet Posted: 04 Sep 2007 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Moon


While dams are not good for rivers, not burning as many hydrocarbons is a worthy concept.  No easy answers.
 
Agreed.  Well, I half agree. Conservation is better than both.  Doubtful that will be embraced anytime soon. 
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