Parking Pass required as of July 1
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Topic: Parking Pass required as of July 1
Posted By: DaveH
Subject: Parking Pass required as of July 1
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 11:31am
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Posted By: mokelumnekid
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 12:43pm
Yeah- I got mine but grrrr...what pisses me off is that you have to put the license number- ONE ONLY- on the pass. It seems to me that the pass is issued to ME not some vehicle. Si if I take the wife's car one day, we have to buy another pass for that! Even the old Fish and Game parking passes allowed for more than one license number.
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Posted By: Scott_H
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 1:56pm
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Thanks for the link and reminder. At least it covers both the DNR and State Park one - I seem to recall the last time there was a state park fee we had to pay for a separate State Park one. That blows about the 1 car only rule. ------------- “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” |
Posted By: up4air
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 4:45pm
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Isn't there an alternate put in for Kanasket that isn't a park (and isn't headworks)? ------------- More water, please. |
Posted By: chipmaney
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 6:11pm
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 7:59pm
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Maybe use erasable ink on the pass then change the number when needed? ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 8:04pm
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Also, I just bought a new fish and wildlife pass back in March...bummer...should have waited...
------------- Nomad |
Posted By: WA-Boater
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 9:57pm
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On my Dept Fish Wildlife pass I put a 2" strip of clear tape on it when I loan it out. You can easily peal off the tape (and old license #) and use it multiple times for multiple vehicles.
Might be able to do the same with this one.
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Posted By: Travisimo
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 7:28am
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It's a criminal offense then, pretty sure it would be as well with these passes, just an FYI... ------------- H2O please |
Posted By: doggievacation
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 10:43am
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Flaming Geyser is also a state park, so the answer is, yes, you do need a Discover Pass to use the lower take out. About the only way to run the Green without a Pass is to put in at the bridge above K-P and take out at Paradise. What I want to know is, can I turn in my Fish and Wildlife Pass and get an $11 dollar credit toward buying the Discover Pass?
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 10:55am
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:14am
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:46am
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:50am
Posted By: PowWrangler
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 11:55am
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Posted By: James
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 12:22pm
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Posted By: GHannam
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 12:24am
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Thanks for all the info guys! Especially good to know for my arrival back home I know it sucks to have to pay for these things, but it really isn't about taxes or bridge tolls... The government (both State and Federal) has cut all kinds of money/budgets that used to go to the Federal and State Parks, and they're forced to get money from those who use the parks. This money goes to pay for things like garbage bins, rubish pickups, toilet paper, honeybuckets, road/misc. maintenance, and other such things, like the lone park ranger who gets paid a meaningless, pitiful amount of money to look after these places... I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or that I agree or disagree, but I do understand why it's happening.
I learned an interesting phrase in the UK while I was there that I think is pretty applicable here: At one time, there were parts of the UK where the government put a daylight tax on people's houses. The people were only allowed to have seven windows per house, or they'd get taxed for having more daylight than their neighbors. Thankfully, this law was abolished ages ago. However, there's a saying in the UK that the locals use when they feel they're getting unduely taxed/charged in some way: "That's just daylight robbery!!!"
 $30 bucks or not, I'm STOKED to get back on a river when I get home!! *YAY*!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 11:09am
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So, since I have 4 licensed vehicles that I operate at any given time, I need to spend $120.00 on 4 passes? That is rediculas! Also may have to purchase one for any friends that may happen to drive that day. I might as well purchase about 20 passes just be sure...$600.00 worth... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 8:01am
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This just in. I was at Flaming Geyser yesterday and they would not allow me to use my WDFW parking pass there anymore. So wether this is true or not I don't know, but the ranger told me that the Dept of F&W used to maintain fishing access points within the park and when this new bill went into effect the Dept of Fish and Wildlife removed the responsibility to manage the access points within all state parks. So the only places that WDFW parking pass works at is WDFW ONLY access points like Rodeo Hole. I had a printed out copy of the signed bill and the WDFW statements saying that parks were covered for the remainder of this year and the ranger said you can come on in but I will give you a ticket and you can explain it to the courts and see if they agree. |
Posted By: doggievacation
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 8:41am
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This is bullsh*t. I actually support the idea of the Discover Pass, but poor implementation of this bill is going to exacerbate negative backlash. Feel free to write to the bill's sponsor, Rep. Kevin Ranker. mailto:ranker.kevin@leg.wa.gov - ranker.kevin@leg.wa.gov The way I see it is this: if you buy a permit from a state or federal agency and the agency decides to change the rules midstream, your permit should be valid until it expires or you should be able to get a refund. For me, a refund on the Fish and Wildlife permit would make this situation right again. What's happening now is complete and utter bullsh*t. John ------------- Don't waste water! |
Posted By: mokelumnekid
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2011 at 9:22am
| Wow that ranger at FG was a jerk- instead of saying something like, "Good point, I need to look into that," he/she acts like some kind of hard ass. My guess is that this all happened so fast that no one really knows what the rules are and why I thought the deal was that it was going to be warning citations only until they got their act together. All these agencies have their a-holes and their saints, but regardless they all have distinct ways they like to do things. What a c-f indeed. |
Posted By: warlickone
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 12:20pm
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So, what's the bottom line? Is it two passes we need?
Discovery pass for parks Forest pass for federal lands This is how I see it. Am I correct? Jim |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 4:11pm
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We are all pretty much screwed...pretty soon you will have so many passes hanging from your mirror you wont be able to see out the window! ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: shrek
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 5:12pm
| I pre-paid on my "good to go" pass for permission to wipe my A. |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 12:54pm
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OK, I figured out how to use the pass for multiple vehicles.
I tried all kinds of ink on the paper they use and found that the WET ERASE ink is the best...the dry erase leaves a residue that is detecable, the wet erase, when you get it wet, removes all traces of any thing on the paper.
So, get a wet erase felt pen then you can change the license # to any vehicle. You just have to remember to take the pen with you.
I hope I dont go to Jail for this discovery... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: HINDS
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 1:41pm
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Posted By: meryl
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 2:24pm
| Haven't you always needed a pass to park at Peshastin? |
Posted By: James
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 2:25pm
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Nick thanks for supporting our Park System. Your contribution will help many people discover more about our parks. |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2011 at 3:14pm
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Also, if you are just running shuttle and happen to enter a State or DNR land...check this out:
Q. If I am driving through state recreation lands, will I need to buy a pass? A. Yes. Unless you are http://discoverpass.wa.gov/exemptions/ - exempt from pass requirements , the pass is required anytime your vehicle is on state recreation lands managed by WDFW, DNR or State Parks. The pass is not required on roads managed by other jurisdictions, such as state highways or county roads that may pass through recreation lands. SO, if you dont have a pass and just want to run to Kanasket park to drop off a boat, the park Rangers will gladly stop you and give a warm welcome with a $99 ticket. Even better, if you have multiple vehicles like me and have a pass for one car but not the other, you have to purchase a pass for each vehicle....unless you use my method above...hehehehe ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: DaveH
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:19pm
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Good info on the wet erase marker. That'll help. ------------- 206-795-0617 |
Posted By: Scott_H
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 1:35pm
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Hey-zeus. Seriously, I'll buy my pass and grumble and then let it pass (sort of), but at least make it f'in clear where the hell I have to pull that thing out. Is "Peshastin" the pull out off 97? Now its the MM road anywhere you park? Or just Island Drop? ------------- “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” |
Posted By: DaveH
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: Scott_H
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 2:47pm
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Much thanks for the heads up - bet I would have gotten a ticket not realizing that. I guess when in doubt I'll just hang that sucker from the rearview mirror. ------------- “The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.” |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 4:06pm
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I really don't have a problem buying a pass...because I already did...the problem I have is the non-transferability between vehicles. That is when it became a money generating revenue tax sucking venture that the state very carefully thought out and implemented. STUPID Fat polititions...I hate them... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: JoesKayak
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 8:48pm
Posted By: doggievacation
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 9:59pm
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I ended up buying another pass for my car. I couldnt help myself wanting to support those poor state workers. Maybe this year they can buy a new 4x4... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: Wiggins
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 3:05am
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I have my own problems with this law/program that I cannot go into in a public forum.
What I can say is that my office received the enforcement instructions on this a few weeks ago, and we are being instructed to enforce it. As tempting as it is to use Dave's idea about how to switch one of the passes between 2 vehicles, I would strongly caution against it. Falsifying a government document is always a bad idea, but it is an even worse idea if the method of deception is easily spotted and the method's creator posted instruction on how to do it online! Kyle ------------- I smell bacon |
Posted By: water wacko
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 6:45am
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------------- "Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman |
Posted By: jP
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 1:25pm
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Originally posted by water wacko
<element style=": progid:DXTrans.Microsoft.name(sProperties)"> Dave's never been the shiniest egg in the carton, but we like him for the comedic wit, now that Leif's not around...Public lands are getting less and less public...</element>  when Dave came up in discussion at some put-in recently he was reffered to as a "man-child" amazing how someone so immature can actually be successful enough to own four vehicles. What a strange world we live in.
Yeah our public lands are not very much so anymore. This land ain't your land unless you sneak onto it. Let people run your show and this is what you get. Expensive wars and private debts transferred into public hands (bankster bailout). Privitization of public assets, ect. We can pretend it does not to relate to the big picture, but it does. Go back to your tv's and watch more episodes of Family Guy. Ignore the world you live in because it is too complex for you. Don't ever discuss politics because you've been deeply conditioned not to. Go along with the program and go to hell in a hand basket. Drag those less fortunate than you along for the ride. Watch as everything you hold dear deteriorates simply because you don't want to rock the boat. We love the escape that our sport provides, but soon there will be no where left to run. Even the vastness of the ocean will not provide refuge in the times that are rapidly approaching. And this is good. As the toys are winding down, perhaps some time soon we will have to abandon our toys and become mature human beings. At this point perhaps the infantilized "adults" of this spoiled nation will grow up and move on to adress more important matters... confronting The Matrix. "Machine Gun- Tearing My Body All Apart..." "I have tasted the maggots in the minds of the human race. I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own sh*t" ------------- 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋 |
Posted By: phil
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 1:52pm
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Originally posted by jP
at some put-in recently he was reffered to as a "man-child" amazing how someone so immature can actually be successful enough to own four vehicles.
That's a pretty mean thing to say about somebody in a public forum. What good does it do anyone? |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:07pm
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Originally posted by Wiggins
I have my own problems with this law/program that I cannot go into in a public forum. What I can say is that my office received the enforcement instructions on this a few weeks ago, and we are being instructed to enforce it. As tempting as it is to use Dave's idea about how to switch one of the passes between 2 vehicles, I would strongly caution against it. Falsifying a government document is always a bad idea, but it is an even worse idea if the method of deception is easily spotted and the method's creator posted instruction on how to do it online! Kyle Ya, that is why I purchased another pass, I dont want any more problems from the law while I am trying to have fun.
I was just at Kanasket Palmer the other day on Saturday. It was nice and sunny and the park was almost empty, unlike previous years when you couldnt find a place to park or even drive in because it was so busy. So, I guess the passes have helped that at least, keeps the parks nice and empty for us Pass users! The Park Ranger was also on the prowel and checked our pass, then he went crazy on some teenagers trying to swim and jump off some rocks and threatened them with a $900 ticket if they didnt stop. Then he checked them for booze and then turned to us and asked us if we had any. We did not, but I did ask him if he had any becuase I could use a drink...he did not think that was funny. What a jerk... ------------- Nomad |
Posted By: Wiggins
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 2:20pm
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Roadway easements are for private or public access to land owned by another party. Since the roads in question are all on public land controlled by DNR, WDFW, and State Parks, and they own the road and the land around it, I would guess there is no defense there. The easements you see on the highways are to allow the road to cross private land.
One of my major problems with this law is that they are looking into whether or not they can force people who have easements on state land to buy a Discover Pass. These preexisting easements were usually either paid for already by the holder, or were the result of a lawsuit judgment. Either way the holder already paid for it, and now they are trying to take a second bite at the apple. On the plus side this law does give us another option to deal with all the illegal dumping that has been closing a lot of areas down. If they are too cheap pay for trash collection, I doubt they'll buy a pass! Kyle ------------- I smell bacon |
Posted By: up4air
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 4:11pm
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I remember a few years ago state parks charged $5 to park. No one used the parks any more so the fee was rescinded. Anyone else remember? And how they continued to build the kiosk at Westport, but eventually tore it out? Talk about wasteful. ------------- More water, please. |