Oh, don't worry... I'm not angry. I just get mildly annoyed and like to shoot my mouth off on the internet cause I don't especially care if ever paddle with you. (You might say this is exactly the bad community mindset that I am criticizing but It's really just that I know who I care about on here.)

And I still think it's unreasonable to act so coy and "I'm so cool, I know something you don't." What is the point in hinting but not sharing? Yeah, we should all scout it but knowing beta in advance isn't going to detract from the epicness of our experience on this remote (roadside) run, nor from yours. I didn't get mad at JeffR because he came out and posted it once he participated in the discussion. He never just hinted at it. He didn't brag about his run and then refuse to share.

Anyway, glad you are so cool that you can go solo boat FITW in the snow and then act all coy and cool about your adventures on PP.

Oh, and one last thing for everyone before I shut up. Many of you criticize me each time I stir the pot. The fact that Hugo is tolerated more than I am bugs the crap out of me. Or, more importantly, what about Jake? His homophobic, hateful diatribes are tolerated here, even when they drive out another respected paddler who was only trying to help. Doesn't make sense to me.

All I asked for here was some beta and all I got was a coy response followed by criticism.

I propose a "safety meeting" to discuss this further..... or maybe I just need a "safety meeting" after reading this whole 3 page thread.

I just thought I would sound off on something... Might be a little late in the night or perhaps even a little late in the thread, but here it goes.

KTW just PM'd me and asked me to delete his membership because he is done. It's not the first time he has requested and quite honestly he might be willing to join us in a random post again. There are a few reasons I bring this up.

I know there are folks that could care less, and to you I would like to remind, there are padders here that are below or above your skill level and this is a group about paddling, not just you. It is a sad day to me and others when people don't feel welcome or that their views are appreciated. But as with any case there are those that are very sensitive and not able to participate in group dicsussions due to higher than needed levels of personal views. The only message I would like to send out is this. Our communtiy is here for the benefit of each other. If you choose to post beta or discuss runs etc... consider other people.

I guess I see this as one of those areas where you can't please everyone. I wish it could, but I doubt it ever will. The strength in any community is diversity, and support. Without these things were not much good to each other. In this thread I see little of either.

I apologize to Megan, and KTW, although I don't want to apologize to Hugo since he can suck my .... just kidding that would be against everything I have said... sorry hugo.

Hopefully you all can understand. Have fun out there on limbo or larry's, corndog or limpwrist, turkeyshoot or gun club... what ever, where ever. Keep up the passion!!!!

All I wanted was to see James in a speedo...is that asking to much?

This board is entertaining. I figured the whole thing was a joke. I'm somewhat new to PP and the area, and I never would imagine there is such thing as a paddler that wouldn't share safety info with another paddler whether they are talking at a bar, online, or beside the river. We all scout when we don't know what's ahead is a given, and good for anyone that doesn't. The fact that you have to tell people, probably means you didn't even run it. But who knows, I think its funny. and I've liked all the PP folks I've met so far.

It seems unlikely anyone ran it.  My snowshoes don't fit in my creekboat.  Perhaps there are some magic folding snowshoes out there that enabled a trip.  James and I looked at the putin a week ago; the snow is quite deep, and getting out of the river would be challenging.

I am, however, disappointed by KTW's temper tantrum.  I am sure his parents can just buy him another website to amuse himself on.

There ought to be "rules of engagement". 

no... I am trying to keep the anonimity down to a minimum.

I would also watch who I call out, cuz from what I hear megan is a ripper and might just shut you down when it comes to the ole rio!!! ~ Besides hiking in the snow does not mean the run is not going... it just slenders down the folks that want to be going!


Edited by James - 05 May 2009 at 11:52am

Whatever, Leif.

Don't forget that when JP started paddling you had run the river uphill through snow both ways so FITW is in prime condition for him.

boo-yah!