I like Leif, he's funny!!!

But Hugo, so is the shit you say.  The difference is that I am intentionally being stupid.  You, on the other hand...

Yes, let's close this thread. But .....a drop should only be named after someone (or by someone) if they were among the first to run that run, or maybe if they died in it (all-though I wouldn't want a drop named after me even if I died in it) with maybe a few exceptions. This may be a topic for another thread, But name the drop what you want, just NOT "Larrys' Ledge". PLEASE!!!!

Does anyone actually know Megan?  For all we know, Megan and Hugo are the same person.  Wouldn't that blow your collective minds...

And to spin it one more time.... Hit play and then read my post with back ground music.

I am not saying we should re-name rapids, but here are a few arguements.

1. There are people from different areas of the state that have different names for the same drop, mainly because they all ask around and no one in the first descent group is there to help answer the question so it gets dubbed a new name and then it gets so attached that it never changes. Now you have things like Gun Club / Turkey Shoot, Cats Paw / 20' Footer , or Last Sunshine, going to Sunshine to Little Miss. So what is the name of the ledge on the Lower Icicle? Certainly worth referring to for boaters new to the stretch... I have always called it cabin drop, but uhoh now were making up names and I am sure there is some other names out there. Where do you draw the line and go with the popular reference vs the "Known" original name.

2. Part 2 of the argument is this. Lets say you have a ledge, with a limbo log and it becomes known as limbo ledge. And the ledge below has a notched wall that looks like freagin popeye, so it is called popeye. Then one day the log pops free of the first ledge and gets stuck covering up the popeye in number 2. Now everyone gets in arguments over which is limbo, and pretty soon someone chimes in that popeye is the rapid downstream with a hole the shape of a can of spinich and soon afterwards people start fist fighting.

I just don't like where this is going...

Names... Who cares...

I dunno. You have a point an all, And its only so worthy of so much debate. I mean, do we engage in these (reletively unimportant in the grand scheme of things) discussions to escape some of life's more trying moments? I think maybe I do. So indulge me still further...

sigh-
Well, Larry, I think any significant event at a rapid is potentially worthy of naming it after.
Doesn't have to be a death. A pin, a bad surf (Norm's resort on the Cooper, Scott's hole in Costa Rica, ect.)--by naming it after the event or mishap, you are simultaneously drawing attention to the hazard.

Jon-- I've never seen any fishermen at "Fisherman's", but the reason I think it's so appropriately named is this: Every season I get to PLAY FISHERMAN there because someone needs "fish'n out". Who knows? Maybe this season it'll be me?

Remember- the main reason we name rapids is to COMMUNICATE and ARTICULATE to others where to go, where not to go,what happened on the last run, how it's different at higher water, ect. Another thing that frustrates this oldschooler is the way many of you newschoolers grunt and wave like a bunch of cavemen when describing rapids. Seriously it's hard to digest what many of you half-heartedly describe. There's a vocabulary that seems as lost as indigeounous tounges. MY NATIVE TOUNGE is dissappearing!!!

Back to the naming rapids thing-- I've recently met one of the first people (I believe he was ON THE first decent of Ernie's Grove). Now that's a respectful run and some punks who rediscover it aren't necessarily entitled to rename the whole thing.

Other considerations are all of the generic rapid names that exist. Many of these I feel potentially DO deserve to be overwritten. Rapids should, when possible, have uniquely distinct names.

Here's a list of lame-ass rapid names:
"The Flume"
"S-Turn" (although often it is simple, and descriptive, it's true)
"Leap of Faith" --I'm sorry, but unless it's the CF of the Y, and it's unscoutable, and unportageable, that's one lame-ass name!
"Screaming Left" -Ok, how many rivers do I have to travel to and encounter THIS unimaginative name? It's like someone ripped it off from another river, Prolly N.Frk Payette, but maybe someone older than me knows where the first "Screaming Left" was named in the West.

Back East you have clever, specific names:
"Dimple"
"Sweet's Falls"
"Sweet's Retreat"
"Postage Due" (actually the name of a rock)
"Big Splat"
"Lost Paddle"
"My Nerves Are Shot I Can't Take It Anymore"
"Coming Home Sweet Jesus"
guess which roman numeral classifies those last two rapids.

Anyway, I don't care that much either. But I don't watch much t.v. I'd rather talk about this stuff instead. My vote: If you're going to rename rapids, name 'em good and clever, hopefully in such a way that it will help describe it to fellow paddlers.

Never forget that communication is important.


Edited by wetmouse - 05 May 2009 at 10:55pm

I'm seeking counseling. Goodbye cruel PPer's.

This thread is LAME!!!
Kiwi: I'll show ya down, nice shit storm ya started
Dave: Drop the speedo thing and stay on the MM.
Meghan:  I love you,  lets have a FITW date!  I'll bring the snowshoes and wine!
Hugo: WTF man...  u actually made good points...  I'm losing faith in u.
Chimpany: If i were u,  i wouldnt follow any of these jokers down FITW
Wetmouse:  Dude shorten the posts,  i see ur name and have to prepare myself  for a friggin novel.  Long boats suck,  welcome  to the new school old timer
H20ota:  I like ur style,  saftey talk with you anytime!
Water Wacko:  Ur still Lame
Leif-  so your just "pretending" to act stupid?  hmmm,  if that was the case your would have learned to roll up in class 3 by now

I was wondering if that was you, Leif.  

Sir Boofs Alot? Hahaha, Come kayaking this afternoon with me somewhere, someone, it's better than responding to this long post.

I do agree with SBA though on his comments...

oooh oooh, can I post too?

Other than this website(maybe a couple others if you look really hard), where are you going to find much beta on ANY river?

Wetmouse- I paddled with you once or twice...we should paddle a lot more together, safety meetings before every drop that we are about to run, with a mandatory 5 minutes of renaming time in it.  Boulder drop just became "overscouted."  Powerhouse run should be renamed "30 minute quicky."

So....  I've never run that river, and have absolutely no idea about.  DON'T CARE either.  IF I decide it is time to go....i'll look up a tiny bit of info, and scout it myself.

Hugo, Leif, anyone else...who gives a rats ass about anyone in the community you don't get along with?  obviously you might not want to paddle with them....

Long boats rule...unless you have a short one to go throw around in the right places...then boath rule.

Wetmouse is not an old timer.... He is a "TRUE SCHOOLER."  (yet more names to create...god I should rename all the rapids on all the rivers I get on)

BTW I LOVE THIS THREAD.  I have not seen so much mud flinging since back in the days that AOL chat rooms were the greatest BS listings ever.

I am cereal here (Honey nut cheerios right now..).....everyone get out, go paddle, shake hands with yer friends, don't paddle with your enemies(however you decide that), get a kiss from Meghan or Lisa.... and fun shall be had by all.

Speaking of alter egos, what does JP stand for?