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  Quote kirbz Replybullet Topic: Help Planning a Road Trip to PNW
    Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 7:46am
Hi All,

I was hoping you could help me in planning a road trip up to the PNW. :-) Me and some friends are thinking of doing two weeks in Oregon and/or Washington at the beginning of July.

I'm thinking we'll maybe stop in three or four different areas for a few days. Maybe find a central camping spot or something and then do day trips to a different river each day for a few days before moving on to the next spot. We're all relatively new boaters so we're looking for read-and-run type Class III/III+ rivers.

So... do you guys have any recommendations on places/areas we could check out and the rivers in the area that would be good to try? Any information would be much appreciated!

Thank in advance and happy paddling!

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  Quote Tobin Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 8:06am
Are you from Ohio? Long story.

Early July can be great in WA / OR! Your best bets will be White Salmon area with numerous II/III runs nearby - Leavenworth area with a few II/III runs but so many other things to do (climbing, mtn biking, hiking)
It will all depend on levels and how the spring melt goes, but there will be a lot to do if you are somewhat flexible with your plans.
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  Quote kirbz Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 8:17am
Haha, nope, not from Ohio. We're all from California (San Francisco or Sacramento).

Thanks for the tips.
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  Quote James Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 9:30am

Brian outlined a great trip but I would put the McKenzie, Umpqua on the way up because they don't hold late season water, yea it might not be a big difference but if you check them out on the way up you can at least cross them off the list with better water or just not do them and save the time in your trip for more northern rivers.

Apart from all of Brian's suggestions I would suggest you plan your trip for June since you will catch more quality water in that time.

Also just a thought but while you are that far north consider going into canada and hitting some of the favorites up there. Chehalis, Chilliwack Capilano etc.. if nothing else you can visit Vancouver BC say you boated in canada and add a little flavor into your trip. Bring the passports though.



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  Quote not-very-clever Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 10:43am
Simply go pick up 2 books: the Bennet Book of whitewater rivers of washington, and soggy sneakers has all of the oregon paddling

Here is what my ultimate road trip would look like coming from the south.... and keeping it class 4 and below

Mckenzie

Umpqua

santiam

Clackamus (molalla if its in)

Sandy

Definately plan to spend a couple days in the town of Hood river and boat the White Salmon, and various sections of Hood river

Then into washington I would go:

Tilton

Green

Middle middle snoqualmie

Then over to the east side:

Wenatchee

Peshastan creek

then back over the pass to the westside:

Skykomish

up to the sauk and the skagit for great camping and fishing

then to the nooksack

then to the chilliwack and chehalis in BC.


haha there are so many more too!!! that just covers the super popular must boat classics in the mid range of difficulty

I just went on a mental road trip and it was a good trip!

You can get pretty damn creative with the bennet book and soggy sneakers and a washington atlas and gazetter.....

i agree with james, june will be better than july
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 5:16pm
Hmm. How to contribute to the points already made? Pretty much going to be echoing everyone else's comments, except Tobin's (Tobin: the last comment at the bottom of my post is for you).

Listed in order of importance:

1. Get a copy of Jeff Benett's guide to the Whitewater Rivers of Washington, 2nd addition, and a Wa state gazetteer.

2. Try to bump your dates upstream the calendar, into June if you can. More water, as PPeeps have previously stated.

3. I agree w/ James: consider hitting the southern stuff first on your way up, better timing. The northern stuff can wait for you to arrive. Of course, you're best advised to plan this on the fly to some extent.

4. Slick's "stay off of I-5" advice is good, as are some of his basic route recomendations. The "97 north" plan looping around over Hwy 20 or Hwy 2 is also basicly a good plan. But you can't go wrong in Leavenworth, especially if you're packing Toyboats. Great play on the Wenatchee. But Peshastin creek may be gettin too low in july. Depends what mother nature does.

5. MUST STOP DESTINATIONS:
Hoody McRiver
--White Salmon/ Klickitat/ Wind
Cispus Zone (FR 23 should be open in july, and its great road trip camping up in there)
Leavenworth
--Wenatchee/ Peshastin/ Chiwawa (its ok, just including it cuz its class III and right there
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Skykomish. Maybe some upper tribs will be running like Miller or Beckler, but july makes those prospects doubtful.

Other runs...
The Tilton won't be running, but the Green may. Again, july is late to be catching it, but you never know. Same w/ the Middle Fork Snoqualmie. But it's right off of I-90 on the west side of Snoqualmie Pass.

The Sauk is a beautiful drainage but again I wouldn't count on lots of water in it in July. Maybe. Lots of braided channel gravel bar class II+ with some junky class III rock gardens. Best to cover that up with higher volume flows.
Methow ain't a bad destination. It should hold water decently in july.The Skagit is a class I float with one easy class III- rapid. Its pretty tho. If you make it up to Bellingham you could check out the North Fork Nooksac.

Kirbz, just check back in when you're on your way up.

Tobin, Tobin, Tobin. Look, I know you had a demonstrable bad experience w/ that ONE GROUP from Ohio, but the cold hard truth is this:
I feel extremely confident stating that 50% or more of all of the paddlers in Ohio are more skilled and experienced river runners than you are. This includes many class II canoists as well. For realz.To be fair, many of them are also sober and pilot their own crafts. Sorry man. Had to balance that comment out a little.
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  Quote jondufay Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 6:35pm
Ellingturd lives in Ohio now...
ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating...
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  Quote kirbz Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 6:47pm
Thanks everyone for the great advice! So much more than I expected! Unfortunately, due to work, I don't think I can push up the timeframe. But it'll be right at the beginning of July so hopefully that'll make a difference. We'll be leaving June 30. :-) I can't wait to come up there.
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  Quote jP Replybullet Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 7:36pm
Yeah, Kirbz- you'll be fine. While California has the most exquisite geology in the gourmet sense for kayaking whitewater, the PNW ain't shabby:

Lots of great geology, and a surprising variety of it.
One area where we got the rest of the U.S. beat though:

Tons of water, year round. Only the dryest of dry years truly suck around here, and that's mostly cuz we ard so spoiled the rest of the time. So in early July you'll have plenty to boat on. Dozens of options for sure.
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