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Jule
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   Topic: MF Salmon in May - self support trip
Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 8:27am |
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On a whim, I got a pre-lottery permit for the MF Salmon for May 14. This would be a 5 day early season kayak self support trip, and I just wanted to get a feel for whether there are any other fools out there with time off! Flows will likely be in the class IV big water realm.
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briandunnington
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Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 9:27am |
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Jule - I would love to go on that trip, and I could even work out the time off, but unfortunately, I dont have the class IV skills. Guess I will have to work on improving and hope for another chance next year.
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RPMMAX
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Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 12:59pm |
 What levels are you thinking are acceptable?
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tiziak
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Posted: 03 Apr 2012 at 2:53pm |
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Hmmmmm... How many people are you looking for and what shuttle have you worked out?
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If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.
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Jule
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Posted: 04 Apr 2012 at 9:43am |
People - whoever wants to go, thinking 3-6
Levels - I would draw the line at 7 feet, and would really feel better if it's not above 6 feet
Shuttle - would probably pay a service to do it. The road to the usual putin at Dagger Falls is unlikely to be open, so we would start right off the highway on Marsh creek, which adds 10 miles or so to the run
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ru-tang
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Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 2:04pm |
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I've done this exact trip a couple seasons ago, here's some advice:
-dress for extreme cold, it snowed every 24 hours on us
-shuttles are pretty expensive per car, I want to say it was close to 100$ per person
-putting in at marsh creek is the only way to go, I think our trip total was about 120 miles
-its hard to fit all your gear into your normal creek boat, bigger boats are better
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Jule
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Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 4:51pm |
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OK, we need to talk! And are you saying I need to buy one of those goofy green boats?
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Jule
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Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 5:04pm |
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My permit is in 2 weeks! I need commitments like right about now, otherwise I'll cancel it. Putting in on May 14 at Marsh Creek, planning on a pretty quick trip, probably about 3 days on the river.
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huckin harms
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Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 5:50pm |
Hey Jule, I am not going to be able to rally for this trip, but thanks for making the opportunity available. Hope it gets done.
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phil
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Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 6:13pm |
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You might want to set a low-water cutoff for a 3-day trip. That will be a blast if the water is up but will mean really long days chugging downstream if it's not.
I'd probably look for >5.5' minimum, 6ft and up more enjoyable.
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jP
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 6:21pm |
Originally posted by Jule
are you saying I need to buy one of those goofy green boats?
First off, the Greenboat is truly a magnificent 21st century design.
Its a unique illustration of the fact that the potential for new designs is far from being exhausted.
That said, I've heard that the Greenboat isn't the best boat for packing stuff into. Great for high milage days, but not so great for packing.
Really, what we need is a new class of a "creekboat". A boat with volume for big water (and packing gear) a sophisticated, modern shape with some rocker, edges and planes ect, and LONGER. like 9-10'.
In the meantime, you know what would be awesome for that trip, Jule? Rutang has a Cerro. Yup. I'm sure you're all surprised to hear me put in a plug for an Eskimo, but...
-it's over 9'
-it is a decent blend of "oldschool" and "newschool" design elements
-best of all for multidays: NO PILLARS.
If You've ever done any "self suport" trips with a pillar in your boat, then done on in a boat without one, you know: it makes a HUGE difference in how much you can pack, how you can optimize the weight distribution, and how you can easily pack it and unpack it day in and day out.
Trust me, a Cerro would be the bomb for a multiday, highwater MF Salmon trip. Maybe better than a Greenboat, unless you wanna do 100 miles a day Darren Albright style. But then, he hardly needed any gear.
An old Prijon T Canyon would not be as glamorous to paddle as the Cerro, but would similarly get the job done. And, if you can find a Toranado, well, that would be a good choice too.
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 6:27pm |
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Anyway, Rutang has a Cerro I think hes lookin to sell.
Modern Creekboats, IMO are too short and wide, and have too much excessive rocker for long distance, multiday trips.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 12:27am |
http://www.professorpaddle.com/media/photoview.asp?File_Id=6196
Two 60 liter barrels, 20mm ammo can, a Pett type toilet, and still room for a couple dry bags. Enough said. Go OC1!
Kyle
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phil
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 12:17pm |
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I'd rather be swimming alongside an IK than an OC-1 on the MF at high water!
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 1:22pm |
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I'd rather run the MF Salmon at or above 7', and not swim at all. Get to camp w/ a dry sleepin bag.
Sometimes a hard shell kayak is just superior, sorry open boaters!
They have their place, but highwater multiday class IV may not be it.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 1:23pm |
But, you knew I would assert this
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