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James
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I loath this stuff... all pretty whack...
KTW, Your on too something with Hugo. But I think the point
of Hugo is to have no point. No sense in restating the obvious, he's a
naysaying shit talker. One thing I will say is that regardless of the
people you might not like, the community is not represented by a single
person.
And for cloudpeak, your on the same tangent. If you look around you
might see that your problems are with one or two people, not PP or the
Community in this area. I can honestly say that of all the boards I
have visited this is one of the tightest and respectful crowds around,
not to mention helpful.
Funny how the saying goes don't judge a book by its cover... but this
is more like judging a book by a random found page somewhere in the
appendix written by another author.... It's also the reason I hate
REI... I met a dumbass that was wearing an REI coat one time...
Meghan... you are amazing, I think I might go solo a lake today in your honor!
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:00pm |
I'll take ya down for sure!!! Love that run 
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James
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:03pm |
Dang ... simul-posting.... Chip my thoughts exactly!!! Classic PP - A well rounded community 
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JoesKayak
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:20pm |
Dammit James... I have an Eddie Bauer coat. At least get that right! 
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JoesKayak
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:24pm |
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On a serious note... It looked to me that flows Sunday were in the 400-450 range... Where did you see 850 or was that a projected flow that turned out to be wrong?
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James
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:28pm |
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Well Excuse me!!!
The fluffy fur lining got me all confused, here this whole time I thought that was Nicko McBrain... I guess I should have been more of a trooper!
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dave
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:34pm |
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Lets get back to James in a speedo waist deep in snow. I want pictures of this!!!!!!
Quote James" When we did it we were post holin waist deep with bare feet and speedos on... if it weren't for my poogies it might have been a cold day."
And where was that pogie located?
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:42pm |
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The picture looks like Larry's ledge. The wood on river left has finnally washed out opening up the slot that has always been there. In the olden days of my forefathers they would run the slot sideways, on edge.
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Through words and deeds the superior man moves heaven and earth. Must one not, then, be cautious? "Confucius,500 BC"
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:57pm |
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The gauge is way downstream which means the actual flow at FITW will be lower the indicated during rain events or while the low snowpack is still melting.
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... preparing for a river beating!
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James
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 12:59pm |
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Good ole Garcia...
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jP
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 1:21pm |
Originally posted by hugo
perhpas stooksberry and coombs will venture in there and scout it out for us and give us some beta.
this reminds me of the broken society post up here a few weeks ago, funny how many of you all got all fired up about people not taking personal responsibility for thier actions, yet when it comes to figuring out shit on your own on the river, you get all butt hurt when somebody does not spoon feed you the beta. Any boater worth their stink knows ... shit changes, rocks fall, avalanches bring logs down, floods happen... get out of your boat and look at the drops for yer self, don't rely on somebody to make the call for you. so what if meghan does not tell us. are you not boaters yourself? [/QUOTE
I say Hugo IS making a FINE point. I echoe his sentiments almost to the letter on this one. Just 'cause all the newbies out there have this shiny new internet thingy doesn't mean they can expect to scout runs from their cancerous, pollution causing computers AT HOME. You're all still going to have to pay attention. Personally I'm sure I'd see something different from upstream, even if I didn't scout beforehand.
There's little point in getting into these hissy fits because you were'nt,  as Hugo said, Spoon fed. Stop acting like babies and start paddling ( a
I say Hugo IS making a FINE point. I echoe his sentiments almost to the letter on this one. Just 'cause all the newbies out there have this shiny new internet thingy doesn't mean they can expect to scout runs from their cancerous, pollution causing computers AT HOME. You're all still going to have to pay attention. Personally I'm sure I'd see something different from upstream, even if I didn't scout beforehand.
There's little point in getting into these hissy fits because you were'nt, as Hugo said, Spoon fed. Stop acting like babies and start paddling ( and scouting) like Men and Women.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 1:22pm |
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Sorry I don't understand the double post thing that happened. Guess My "Echoing of Hugo's sentiments went toto far.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 1:36pm |
Originally posted by cloudpeak
So, Meghan posts that she has information that would be useful to the community, but flat out states that she won't share it. Hugo piles on to say that on the river it's every person for him or herself.
Classic PP, the non-community.
Look, I won't argue endlessly. I did MOSTLY grow tired of that  . But Hugo's NOT advocating "Every Man/Woman for Him/Herself".
He's advocating-
"Think for Yourself". There is a difference. You can't scout a river from a F*#kin computer. You can road scout, bank scout, boat scout, but you can't computer scout. So there's no point in gettin all huffy. It's the over-sensitive REACTIONARY stuff that weakens the content on these forums. I know first hand, having been GUILTY of it in the past.
Meghan did her part simply by saying:
FITW: watch out
Community is what you make it. And you know what? It ISN'T made on the internet. It's made on the RIVER. Like Chip says... Let's just go paddle. This internet stuff only adds an unnecessary layer (but thanks for the heads up Meghan! ).
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 1:42pm |
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I don't see how reading reports online and checking things out for yourself are mutually exclusive. I do both all the time.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 1:58pm |
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Actually, you can computer scout rivers as long as you have good beta. Like good photography, word of mouth, etc.
It just gives people some extra info before they throw themselves down rocks with water pouring over them.
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Whatever. Gather as much info as you want. Nothin wrong with that. I'm just saying there's no point in getting all worked up about it from behind a computer. Like that whole CC Lewis wood jam thing. It's amazing how many people act like the run is totally ruined because there's a few sticks that need to be portaged around at the top of the run.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 4:06pm |
Run to the hills! 
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 4:51pm |
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JP- you are right that the river is what matters. That doesn't change the fact that its uncalled for to withhold important beta about a popular run from your community.
I get worked up about it because I feel that this kind of attitude if indicative of this community.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 4:52pm |
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Oh, and as to my earlier comment about community, that is not to say that I dislike everyone in this area. There are many of you on this board that I respect and enjoy paddling with. It is simply the strength of the community that I was referring to.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:01pm |
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Meghan, I'll hold hands with you down FITW this week while folks are debating your merits of community support.
And it's not Larry's Ledge, it's Limbo Ledge. Just because one of the clowns on here went and got himself pinned in there doesn't give him naming rights and everyone else the revisionist pen to change a name.
But if I run it this week I get to name it. I'm thinking Snuggles, and it's not going up for a community vote.
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Larry
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:11pm |
Just because you post on this site (Hugo, Meghan, and others) doesn't make you part of the "community". Odviously. And you can't force someone to be part af a community they don't want to be part of. Take what is usefull ("a drop has changed" or "scout for yourself") and ignore/disregard the rest.
As for "Larrys Ledge", If the drop has changed, then so must the name. That name could'nt stick anyway.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:16pm |
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I didn't see cronar's post before my last post, I couldn't agree more! (except for maybe the "clown" part)
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:30pm |
Originally posted by kayaktheworld
JP- you are right that the river is what matters. That doesn't change the fact that its uncalled for to withhold important beta about a popular run from your community.
I get worked up about it because I feel that this kind of attitude if indicative of this community.
Hey pal, I don't see you getting worked up over JeffR knowing about the change, taking a picture and not calling you personally to let you know to be careful. I said not to bomb at will cause a rapid had changed. So, back off and get some perspective on what you get angry about.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:36pm |
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Yeah , at least she said something! Oh wait, whos' side am I on. Besides, with all the confusion about the name, who could blame her for not naming it.
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Posted: 04 May 2009 at 5:37pm |
Originally posted by cloudpeak
Hugo piles on to say that on the river it's every person for him or herself.
interesting convolution of words my man, ineresting indeed.
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suck it
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