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RemAcct2
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Laugh it up...
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James
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A broken Hugego!
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ashleygoesdisco
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 2:25pm |
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so lost...
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Ashley Duffus
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Tobin
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:40pm |
Originally posted by STLboater
the UPS pool owns 2 mystics that you could try out. However, our last pool session of the semester is tonight. we will be going again late january. something of interest is that we will probably be selling off all our bliss sticks at the end of the year for a sweet price.
Esqueeze me?
Guess angle boy is at it again?
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JoesKayak
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:45pm |
Maybe it's time you step up to an IK! ![]("smileys/smiley20.gif")
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dave
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 5:11pm |
Hugo is funny ![]("smileys/smiley36.gif")
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hugo
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 5:21pm |
I am glad that people are starting to catch on. For a while, I was beginning to think that you all would not know something to be humerous, even if it was part of your arm.
if you don't get that... click here...loosers.
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suck it
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water wacko
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 6:28pm |
With a name like hugo and the frequency of bashing you've been up to, I have to ask what you're compensating for? Maybe you should rename yourself, justalko' ![]("smileys/smiley8.gif")
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"Don't ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and go do that, because what the world needs is people who have come alive." ~Howard Thurman
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dave
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 7:18pm |
I like Hugo ![]("smileys/smiley35.gif")
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RemAcct2
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:09pm |
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Who is this Hugo, again?
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Otter Boy
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:31pm |
People, people, let's focus on how we can help Otterboy, OK? ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif")
We have some good nominations, but what is the consensus of the horde on the following:
- Flat hull vs. round hull.
- I don't playboat, so I am biased against flat hulls on a creek. Am I wrong?
- Plastic quality of the different manufacturers.
- Given that the CFS is the BEST BOAT EVER, how can I come close to replacing it with a more modern design?
- What is your favorite creek boat, and why?
- OB
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RemAcct2
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 8:52pm |
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Otterboy should get a playboat before Otterboy gets another creek boat...
Seriously, though, every comment I could make about flat vs. round hulls is sure to create too much controversy. Paddle some demos is the best advice I can give.
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Otter Boy
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:10pm |
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Since when have you been afraid of controversy? Spill it!
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Tobin
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 9:29pm |
Bryon,
Flat or planing hulls track and carve better, think a ski. Displacement hulls turn land and boof better.
Typically creek boats are displacement hulls, the main difference between your CFS and modern designs is chined edges. Instead of having a smooth constant radius up the sides, they are creating chines or rails at the water line, This acts as an edge and allows the boat to actually track.
Rocker, kick and length are personal taste, a short low volume true displacement boat (Huka)with a large fast rocker boofs on auto, but does no like to go straight, a pain in big water. Get it on a tight technical creek and your in heaven. Jefes are in the same catagory. The Burns are a flash in the pan design, I think anyway. That and they break allot.
Something else to consider is warranty. Everyone is talking about their boats breaking in a year, What does the maker say about that?
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Otter Boy
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Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:14pm |
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Rock on, that's what I need to know. Thanks.
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Good one, Tobin. Planing hulls are better for big water. Displacement for steep, low volume. Crosslinked plastic (Jackson, Eskimo, Prijon, Necky) is stronger plastic, but harder/impossible to weld. Why not just get another CFS?
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 7:51am |
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The CFS is out of production, replaced with the Nomad. It's a good opportunity to upgrade. Anyone have beta on the Nomad?
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Ryan
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 8:10am |
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I think dufay paddled a nomad for a while...
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CRG Productions
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The Nomad is a great boat. I went from a CFS to that and loved it. It took a few trips to get used to it, it tracks better and is faster than the CFS, but once you get the hang of it you won't want a CFS again. I weigh 160lbs and go back and forth between the 8.1 and 8.5. both are well balanced and very stable. I think the 8.5 could use just a bit more rocker on the bottom, but when it's full of overnight gear it charges staight threw almost anything!
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Erik
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 9:03am |
I'll second CRG's comments. I went CFS to Nomad about 3 or 4 years ago, and still love The Nomad. Just bought another one this last spring. The Nomad addressed all the short-comings of The CFS. I held onto my CFS for a while, thinking I'd still paddle it on occasion...not the case. Big water is the only time I wish for some behavioral changes (little more edge would be nice at times). It still does great in the bigger stuff. Really excells in med/low-volume.
Don't worry about durability. The Nomad is on par, or above average with modern creeker durability. Dagger has also been pretty good with warranty issues, which I cannot say about other mfgers. She's been a proven workhorse for me other the years.
The only other design I really liked after demoing a lot this summer, was The Burn. Really fun design. It goes everywhere you tell it to. I found a good deal on my latest Nomad, otherwise I might have purchased a Burn. The Everest just might be my next boat. If I had my druthers, I'd have an Everest, and a Nomad.
If you loved The CFS, you have to try The Nomad. Hope this was somewhat helpful.
~Erik
p.s. No affiliation with any mfger, and certainly not a pro. Just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.
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jondufay
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 9:08am |
I like the nomad. pro's: tis quick, boofs well (i really think that all modern creek boats boof well, how well is up to the boater), easy to roll, breaks through holes well, comfy, all and all, a nice sexy boat.
cons: I have two broken ones at home. it is a bitch to get my breakdown behind the seat and it is heavy (which i would not care about, but seeing as they broken, they might as well be light). I have heard that they fixed those concerns for 2k7...may or may not find out that one first hand.
for what it is worth, I think that all modern creekboats are just fine. any decent paddler can hop in one and have it figured out in a few runs...my biggest concern is durability. when the boat reps say that getting 50 good creek runs is about average for a creekboat before it starts to fall apart, that sucks the fat one. break that down...$20 a run (or one year if you boat it every weekend) they can suck it...!
Anybody have durability feedback that they would like to share with the class?
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ahh, f--- it dude, lets go boating...
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Erik
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 11:49am |
Man Doofer...that 20 bucks a run is awful perspective. Now I'm pissed.
I'd say I boat around 50 days/year, and I've been going through one boat per season. So it seems those stats are somewhat accurate. However, I rarely pay full retail, and I've been lucky with warranty claims (couple hulls popped prior to the one-year mark), essentially getting me two years of boating for the price of one purchase.
There is something to be said for buying a new boat through a local dealer...warranty love.
I can't think of any mfger out there who isn't breaking at a similar rate.
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James
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 12:04pm |
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Your right... at $700 for the boat with 50 runs which seems about right to me also for the Jefe, maybe even a few less...
Thats only $14.00 a trip ... Freakin steal if you ask me, I remember the days when we used to carve our boats out of wood and they sunk halfway down each trip, on the multiday class 5's everyone who lived through day 1 would have to start widdlin super early ... y'know what I mean Kylek!
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slickhorn
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 12:05pm |
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Clearly you need an IK. I mean, all this "boof" and "roll" talk is sooooo 2005 brah. What you really are looking for is "swim" and "self-resuce"
My first stiletto I bought used from a class V exploratory boater in Spokane. It was 7 years old. I've since put 300+ days on it, and at least 3 different 18" or longer tears. It's still going strong. And cost a lot less than a new creeker!
Ready to switch yet? ;-)
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Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 2:00pm |
I ain't pluggin, but! (come on that was funny )
I have heard complaints from allot of people that Bliss-Stick boats are heavy, and I looked and their correct. My advice stop carring your boat. ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif") Oh wait I am the one usually doing that. Anyway They average a few pounds heavier than WS, Pyrhana, LL, Dagger, and so on. BS molds their own boats in house, a rarity in modern production. It's not a mass production outsourced contract that most makers use today. Its a grass roots, make a good boat kinda deal. The QC is pretty amazing.
Mostly, if you have a BS kayak and have any kind of problem with it, thats why I am here. BS has always had the motto, shipped to your door in 5 days or less, my mantra is get customer service resolution in 5 days or less.
OK butt plug undone ![]("http://www.professorpaddle.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif")
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